Types of children of dual pairs

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Mendelian eye inheritance is still taught at schools last I asked about 6 months ago, weird, heh.

[Suz]

My grand mother on dad's side is ESTj
My grand father on dad's side is ISTp

All of their kids are either ESTj or ISTp. They had 10.00 and one who died at a young age.

and of course that's assuming you typed them correctly.

[Beautiful sky]

and of course that's assuming you typed them correctly.

Yes, they all confirmed their type at one point and they all match morphology perameters. ESTj's compete with one another and ISTp's among themselves, but mostly the ISTp's are wonderful providers for the ESTj's who keep to themselves.

[Aiss]

Sorry Aiss; I am not very good at jokes I guess; that was meant to be an economic reflection like they say in the US that average household has 2.53 kids...lol

Neither am I, it seems.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

Sorry Aiss; I am not very good at jokes I guess; that was meant to be an economic reflection like they say in the US that average household has 2.53 kids...lol

Well it's probably what the average US child weighs.

[Aiss]

Mendelian eye inheritance is still taught at schools last I asked about 6 months ago, weird, heh.

Like I mentioned earlier, this more or less works for some traits, which depend on few genes placed either close enough or on chromosomes X/Y. I imagine eyes/hair color is used in school in the same way that stupid examples are supposed to "enhance" math experience for kids. Because it's better to have them count unfairly shared apples and oranges than actually learn math. Or something.

[silverchris9]

Like I mentioned earlier, this more or less works for some traits, which depend on few genes placed either close enough or on chromosomes X/Y. I imagine eyes/hair color is used in school in the same way that stupid examples are supposed to "enhance" math experience for kids. Because it's better to have them count unfairly shared apples and oranges than actually learn math. Or something.

Well, I mean, there are some traits that are clearly heritable/rely on one gene. Huntington's, for instance, is not polygenic. Blood type is another one that I believe relies on one or maybe two genes. I mean, if you don't have the gene for the A protein, your body's not going to make it, regardless of any other circumstance. So I think that's a pretty just pedagogical method, if for no other reason than it shows how traits are heritable, even if many traits are polygenic. I think pretty much any psychological question will be polygenic, highly influenced by pre-natal conditions, and probably strongly influenced by very very early childhood. I personally think that while genetics may give an inclination towards a given type (for reasons not type-related), type is largely a result of life-strategies found applicable at a very young age, emphases we learn to place when we are very little.

[Lobo]

Well, in my family it's ESE mom + LSI dad = EII me + SLI brother.

[FDG]

If I restrict the analysis to dual pairs, I know 2 that have adult children; my grandma and grandad are LSE-EII and their children are both ESI. So, in that case it seems like compatibility didn't play out perfectly. My girlfriend's parents are LIE (mom) - ESI (dad) and their children are actually ESI (my girlfriend) and LIE (her brother), so in that case it seems like there was some magical perfect correlation, although I think it's just a fortunate case.

Mirrors: I know one ESI-ILI couple and they have SEE, ESI and LIE children, so their family is really gamma-centric.

[07490]

What I think may be genetically inherited is enneagram stacking. My whole family is dad (EIE) mom (ESI) older sister (LIE), second older sister (LII) me (EIE). But like me they are all So/Sx with exception of my mom, So/Sp

[717495]

Seeing as though maritsa said it, I could easily base the assumption that its wrong. Hah Ti-demonstrative, sorry.

For input of mere information, everyone in my family is an Fe valuer and I am not. My dad brother and sister are likely alpha, and my mom is likely a beta.

Just some guesses
Mom EIE
Dad ESE
Brother ILE
Sister SEI
Me ILI

[1981slater]

Father ISTj
Mother ENFj
Son ENTp
Daughter ESFp

[silverchris9]

Also, now that I think about it, socioincs type may be somewhat indirectly related to genetics via prenatal conditions, which, I'm sure, have at least something to do with the mother's genetics. But I'm sure that's not enough to determine a type either. The ultimate answer is that while there is some genetic influence (as there is on, well, everything), type is not fundamentally genetic, as it pertains to different modes/emphases of consciousness, and as such would be far too polygenic and depend on far too many factors to be expressed clearly as a set of three or four genes.

[717495]

Father ISTj

Why do you type him the same as you type me. That's weird but thanks.

[1981slater]

Why do you type him the same as you type me. That's weird but thanks.

I haven't VI'ed your pics. I just told the types of my family.

[717495]

Oh, alright. Maybe you can VI them for fun then, even though I don't adhere to your typing of me as ISTj.

[1981slater]

Oh, alright. Maybe you can VI them for fun then, even though I don't adhere to your typing of me as ISTj.

Father SLE Se
Mother ESI Se
Daughter SEE Se
Polikujm LSI Ti

[717495]

Thanks. If it were anywhere close I would have congratulated you. Of course I never assumed anyone could be close by looking at pictures.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Marie84]

Seeing as though maritsa said it, I could easily base the assumption that its wrong. Hah Ti-demonstrative, sorry.

For input of mere information, everyone in my family is an Fe valuer and I am not. My dad brother and sister are likely alpha, and my mom is likely a beta.

Just some guesses
Mom EIE
Dad ESE
Brother ILE
Sister SEI
Me ILI

All Alphas or/and Fe dominants? You must have felt like the black sheep growing up (?)

[FDG]

I think that slater gets stoned every time he enters the forum.

Yet he still manages to make more sense than you. That's telling.

[olduser]

cool family polik, I really thought your dad was ENTx.

[1981slater]

All Alphas or/and Fe dominants? You must have felt like the black sheep growing up (?)

Do you feel like a pink bug, Marie36?

[717495]

All Alphas or/and Fe dominants? You must have felt like the black sheep growing up (?)

Yeah I was fairly quiet, polite, had an odd and dark sense of humor that no one else understands still, and rather lost in my imagination and inherent impressionism, a really nice guy, just not much in touch with their side of things, their open ethics...where as everyone else was rather emotionally bustling with an under-the-surface pressure of "real worldish" Ti rules to be followed, doctor phil-ish, not much self control, and rather lame. Didn't really feel much care from them, just a lot of thoughtless expression and enthusiasm that was both boring and annoying. It's kind of hard to explain the full picture in all of these contrasting words when you have good and bad aspects from both side, but yeah, there's definitely more to it than just feeling like the black sheep. I mainly just didn't care about what they or anyone else thought, since I grew up in a contrasting quadra I tend to see a lot of people like that. My brother might be an SLE though, instead of ILE, but I mainly assume that we are both NTs that we could get along in such a manner. I know that certain people can feel like more than one type, but my family is all mainly Fe for one. I know my brother influenced me the most to come out of my shell, and explore a certain Fe-ness, which is mainly awkward but funny teasing and games...completely his thing. I would see him less-frequently, and come out a lot more around him. We had silly things to do, and he opened my more experimental side. I can't say what it was, and it might just be semi-duality, but overall I get the sort of weird NT, but external focus, feeling of Ne from him, and definitely Ti creative.

cool family polik.

Thanks.

[Marie84]

Yeah I was fairly quiet, polite, had an odd and dark sense of humor that no one else understands still, and rather lost in my imagination and inherent impressionism, a really nice guy, just not much in touch with their side of things, their open ethics...where as everyone else was rather emotionally bustling with an under-the-surface pressure of "real worldish" Ti rules to be followed, doctor phil-ish, not much self control, and rather lame. Didn't really feel much care from them, just a lot of thoughtless expression and enthusiasm that was both boring and annoying. It's kind of hard to explain the full picture in all of these contrasting words when you have good and bad aspects from both side, but yeah, there's definitely more to it than just feeling like the black sheep. I mainly just didn't care about what they or anyone else thought, since I grew up in a contrasting quadra I tend to see a lot of people like that. My brother might be an SLE though, instead of ILE, but I mainly assume that we are both NTs that we could get along in such a manner. I know that certain people can feel like more than one type, but my family is all mainly Fe for one. I know my brother influenced me the most to come out of my shell, and explore a certain Fe-ness, which is mainly awkward but funny teasing and games...completely his thing. I would see him less-frequently, and come out a lot more around him. We had silly things to do, and he opened my more experimental side. I can't say what it was, and it might just be semi-duality, but overall I get the sort of weird NT, but external focus, feeling of Ne from him, and definitely Ti creative.

That's quite interesting, ILI's are sort of a mystery to me so it's neat hearing things from that perspective, especially how you react to Fe

Do you feel like a pink bug, Marie36?

Yes, yes I do

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[Blaze]

Yeah I was fairly quiet, polite, had an odd and dark sense of humor that no one else understands still, and rather lost in my imagination and inherent impressionism, a really nice guy, just not much in touch with their side of things, their open ethics...where as everyone else was rather emotionally bustling with an under-the-surface pressure of "real worldish" Ti rules to be followed, doctor phil-ish, not much self control, and rather lame. Didn't really feel much care from them, just a lot of thoughtless expression and enthusiasm that was both boring and annoying. It's kind of hard to explain the full picture in all of these contrasting words when you have good and bad aspects from both side, but yeah, there's definitely more to it than just feeling like the black sheep. I mainly just didn't care about what they or anyone else thought, since I grew up in a contrasting quadra I tend to see a lot of people like that. My brother might be an SLE though, instead of ILE, but I mainly assume that we are both NTs that we could get along in such a manner. I know that certain people can feel like more than one type, but my family is all mainly Fe for one. I know my brother influenced me the most to come out of my shell, and explore a certain Fe-ness, which is mainly awkward but funny teasing and games...completely his thing. I would see him less-frequently, and come out a lot more around him. We had silly things to do, and he opened my more experimental side. I can't say what it was, and it might just be semi-duality, but overall I get the sort of weird NT, but external focus, feeling of Ne from him, and definitely Ti creative.

i thought you were an intj polikujm. (what does your user name stand for anyway? i always say poh lik u jum to myself, lol)

if you are an intp i guess it would be rough growing up with primarily Fe valuers. i grew up around Fi valuers, which also sucked. even quasi is not great though.

the one thing that gammas and alphas have in common though is democracy, which actually goes a pretty long way in practical application. betas and deltas are totally preoccupied with hierarchy and politics, who's runnin it who's not. gammas and alphas just like to get 'er done.

i've been working in my profession now for about 20 years so i've had a chance to work in delta, beta, and gamma environments. by far the best is gamma. alphas don't usually run things, i believe there may be no such thing as an alpha run enterprise. but anyway, with beta and delta, it's all politics and spin and getting power. with gamma, i think there ar power issues, but the Fi valuing mitigates that. so, even though i don't value Fi, i benefit from the fact that they do. i may not be "in" but the proof is in the pudding in my work, which profit minded gammas would not throw away.

so i am wondering, as much as you may feel that you don't "fit in" or maybe that you don't want to "fit in" with your family, whether you can connect on the values of democracy, if there is a way to do that in your family.

you know, it's not always a bad thing to be at the fringe of a group.

[Exodus]

ESE + LII -> EIE
EIE + LSI -> ILE/LII, possible SLI
SLI + IEE(?) -> IEE, IEI, ESE

don't see much of a pattern...

[dinki]

What I think may be genetically inherited is enneagram stacking. My whole family is dad (EIE) mom (ESI) older sister (LIE), second older sister (LII) me (EIE). But like me they are all So/Sx with exception of my mom, So/Sp

Random mine too! At least my mum, sister and I are all sx firsts. My mums LSE and my baby sisters eie and my dads sli haha - it's so fucked up! Can't wait to move out- anyone who's been in a close relationship with a conflictor would be a retard to have kids, it's horrible to repulsed by your own mum or just really angry at them just for being themselves. It's really psychologically damaging for both people, especially for the kid because they grow up thinking they are wrong. Maybe this is extreme but I think anyone who knows socionics should adopt to save themselves and the kid the pain of that.

[meals]

Gah - it bites to realize someone else already posted your topic! I didn't mean to make people discuss the same thing again... Very glad to have discovered this by accident. I can't seem to get the search function to do anything useful. Was looking for Anna Torv's typing thread, which I swore existed... Argh. Well thanks for all the interesting posts everyone and apologies.