Alphas in formal and serious situations

[Beautiful sky]

The question is what do you do when etiquette in a formal situation, like a party, calls you to not laugh, joke, fun or make fun?

If you went to a party and it was not polite to joke around what would you do?

[xerx]

The question is what do you do when etiquette in a formal situation, like a party, calls you to not laugh, joke, fun or make fun?

I'm polite and tactful when it's needed. How many adults have you observed that have poor table manners or can't recite the collected works of Chaucer in front of a crowd?

[Beautiful sky]

I'm polite and tactful when it's needed. How many adults have you observed that have poor table manners or can't recite the collected works of Chaucer in front of a crowd?

What type are you?

[xerx]

What type are you?

Whatever you want me to be.

[Beautiful sky]

Whatever you want me to be.

You sound Fe so far, ESE or LSE.

[Aiss]

You sound Fe so far, ESE or LSE.

You may want to edit that post before someone quotes you on that... wait, it's too late already.

[Trevor]

The question is what do you do when etiquette in a formal situation, like a party, calls you to not laugh, joke, fun or make fun?

Then I'm inclined not to laugh, joke or make fun. Sometimes I do, though.

[Logos]

The question is what do you do when etiquette in a formal situation, like a party, calls you to not laugh, joke, fun or make fun?

It depends on the context. I am not sure if I understand what you are asking. Do you have a particular scenario in mind? Sometimes the etiquette is reasonable and other times it is quite absurd in itself. It depends on the reason.

ETA: I cannot believe I'm agreeing with Pinocchio.

[Mediator Kam]

I ignore it. I am a huge joker by nature. I would prefer to have fun than follow some archaic rulez.

[electric sheep]

I wouldn't go. Formal events are stupid.

[Timeless]

I think I know where you're getting at.

I'll say this: I tend avoid situations where I have to "act" a "part" in anyway, shape, or form. I rather be. If I absolutely have to be in a situation where there is unwritten, or written rule for doing things—for whatever reason—I probably (it depends) will stay quiet and be polite (hoping somebody will slip over a banana peal) 'til I get to back home (or a friends house) and eat Cheetos Flamin' Hot chips... with my blazer on.



Do speeches count with your question?

I had fun with the "rules" by breaking them in front of my professor in my speech class last year. I was swearing like hell, that relaxed the entire class though. The professor gave me a big fat warning, but that was fun; not just for me, but my audience too. Ironically, another professor of mine saw my main point for doing so and praised it instead.

Fuck! that was cool.

[munenori2]

The question is what do you do when etiquette in a formal situation, like a party, calls you to not laugh, joke, fun or make fun?

Unless I'm there in the capacity of an undercover spy, a better question would be how I failed to avoid attending an event as lame as the one you describe.

[Nowisthetime]

The question is what do you do when etiquette in a formal situation, like a party, calls you to not laugh, joke, fun or make fun?

I don't really understand the question because I don't need to joke all the time. Etiquette is usually not a problem for me. I automatically go with the flow and melt into the situation, whatever it is. Formal situations can actually be quite fun to be in. The only thing that can be a problem is when somebody starts to give me direct orders on how to behave. I take that as an insult because I perfectly trust my ability to adapt to the situation without a manual.

My ESI mother once gave me a handbook on etiquette. I'm surprised she thought I would need it because people always tell me I'm very polite, maybe not polite in a formal way, but still.

[Beautiful sky]

I don't really understand the question because I don't need to joke all the time. Etiquette is usually not a problem for me. I automatically go with the flow and melt into the situation, whatever it is. Formal situations can actually be quite fun to be in. The only thing that can be a problem is when somebody starts to give me direct orders on how to behave. I take that as an insult because I perfectly trust my ability to adapt to the situation without a manual.

My ESI mother once gave me a handbook on etiquette. I'm surprised she thought I would need it because people always tell me I'm very polite, maybe not polite in a formal way, but still.

What happends when you're at a party and they tell you not to joke around?

That's easy. No one ever invites me to stuff anyway.

You are always welcome to come over and hang out with me; we can catch a vintage fair with my mom; she really enjoys that sort of thing.

[Logos]

What happends when you're at a party and they tell you not to joke around?

Why am I there at that party?

[Beautiful sky]

Why am I there at that party?

You're invited, but you're asked to not be famboyant.

[Logos]

You're invited, but you're asked to not be famboyant.

Being there simply by the virtue of being invited is not a reason to be there. So why am I there? What is the occasion?

But I do not think that there would ever be a situation in which someone would feel the need to warn me not to be flamboyant. It's just not generally in my nature to be flamboyant, as my natural inclination is to blend in, not be noticed, or placed in the spotlight.

[Krig the Viking]

You're invited, but you're asked to not be famboyant.

Frankly an invitation like that (specifically asking people not to be flamboyant or joke around) would be quite rude, and a breach of etiquette in and of itself. Proper etiquette never draws attention to other people's breaches of etiquette. (Note that by pointing this out, I am breaching formal etiquette myself. )

A polite invitation might mention something about it being a "formal" party, or a "black-tie event", but the details of how to behave would be left unspoken (unless asked).

[Nowisthetime]

What happends when you're at a party and they tell you not to joke around?

That has never happened. I would never joke so much to disturb the general atmosphere of the party. I cannot do it, even though I sometimes wish I was more of a rebel.

[Beautiful sky]

The point that I was trying to demonstrate here is that ILE and ESE will joke or try to "push the envelope" to make humor in a situation where they are expected by social ettiquette to not, and SEI and LII will not joke in the same situation; by this point, Rubicon, I think that your behavior is not of SEI and closer to ESE and ILE, but I don't see any Ne in you so I would go with ESE, by process of elimination.

There are lot's of other reason's why I eliminated LII and also ILE but that's for another time.

[Blaze]

The point that I was trying to demonstrate here is that ILE and ESE will joke or try to "push the envelope" to make humor in a situation where they are expected by social ettiquette to not, and SEI and LII will not joke in the same situation; by this point, Rubicon, I think that your behavior is not of SEI and closer to ESE and ILE, but I don't see any Ne in you so I would go with ESE, by process of elimination.

There are lot's of other reason's why I eliminated LII and also ILE but that's for another time.

almost right. i think ILE would push the envelope and ESE would kinda think it was funny and would try to figure out how to fold ILE jokes into the general atmosphere. ESE would "help" ILE this way. if ILE went to far, though, ESE would kinda distract ILE, maybe maneuver ILE to a different room or something. all very nicely though. since they get along so well.

[Logos]

The point that I was trying to demonstrate here is that ILE and ESE will joke or try to "push the envelope" to make humor in a situation where they are expected by social ettiquette to not, and SEI and LII will not joke in the same situation; by this point, Rubicon, I think that your behavior is not of SEI and closer to ESE and ILE, but I don't see any Ne in you so I would go with ESE, by process of elimination.

There are lot's of other reason's why I eliminated LII and also ILE but that's for another time.

I think that ESEs are far more tactful in formal social situations than you give them credit, because they may not want to disrupt a given emotional atmosphere, even if it discomforts them. Frequently for ESE, the needs of the many out way the needs of the single ESE.

[Nowisthetime]

How do you use Si at a party? What is your natural state like at a party?

My mood varies a lot. I am the slave of my mood. Sometimes I am bored but later I suddenly get in the mood and start partying. I like it if there is a possibility to dance, because then I can flirt with girls without having to involve in serious discussions (And I usually don't have that much to say). Is dancing about Si? I guess I use Si when I dance. I love to dance.

I love parties, I usually stay late, hoping that there still will be some fun in store for me.

[Blaze]

The question is what do you do when etiquette in a formal situation, like a party, calls you to not laugh, joke, fun or make fun?

If you went to a party and it was not polite to joke around what would you do?

i would suffer till i could stand it no more.

then i would push the envelope little by little until you could joke.

or, i would leave.

[Blaze]

wiggle some jokes out until people started breaking the social norm and laughing

[Blaze]

wiggle some jokes out until people started breaking the social norm and laughing

if it doesn't work easily though, i would cease and desist. you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink eh?

[cracka]

The question is what do you do when etiquette in a formal situation, like a party, calls you to not laugh, joke, fun or make fun?

If you went to a party and it was not polite to joke around what would you do?

This wouldn't be considered a party to me. This would be some type of "meeting" instead. My behavior would coincide with what I'd probably be supposed to do, though, asking me to not to be humorous in any way is kinda like tying my hands behind my back and asking me to play baseball. While I don't go out of my way to laugh, joke, or anything else like that... It's a rather large part of who I am.

[Krig the Viking]

I think the question Maritsa is really trying to ask is: What would you do if you found yourself at a party hosted and attended primarily by Gamma Rationals.

[Blaze]

I think the question Maritsa is really trying to ask is: What would you do if you found yourself at a party hosted and attended primarily by Gamma Rationals.

exactly.

I think that ESEs are far more tactful in formal social situations than you give them credit, because they may not want to disrupt a given emotional atmosphere, even if it discomforts them. Frequently for ESE, the needs of the many out way the needs of the single ESE.

definitely. the most they would do is as i wrote above. ^

[MatthewZ]

I think the question Maritsa is really trying to ask is: What would you do if you found yourself at a party hosted and attended primarily by Gamma Rationals.

Gamma Rationals? I love messing with LIEs.

[Beautiful sky]

I think the question Maritsa is really trying to ask is: What would you do if you found yourself at a party hosted and attended primarily by Gamma Rationals.

I don't understand what you're saying here? At my party, I hope there would be lots of laughter and joking, in for fact, that's one of the reasons why I get along with my ESE sister and cousin so well; my dual cousin and I hang out with them regularly for good laughs...they know how to have a good time.

[Logos]

I don't understand what you're saying here? At my party, I hope there would be lots of laughter and joking, in for fact, that's one of the reasons why I get along with my ESE sister and cousin so well; my dual cousin and I hang out with them regularly for good laughs...they know how to have a good time.

Are you a Gamma rational? If not, why do you sound so defensive?

[Beautiful sky]

Are you a Gamma rational? If not, why do you sound so defensive?

I am not a gamma rational, I don't know how they would act though; my friend is ISFj and she seems like she would have a good time at a party. She is far more emotional then I am, a lot more serious.

[Blaze]

I don't understand what you're saying here? At my party, I hope there would be lots of laughter and joking, in for fact, that's one of the reasons why I get along with my ESE sister and cousin so well; my dual cousin and I hang out with them regularly for good laughs...they know how to have a good time.

i think we just immediately thought of a stifling overly polite atmosphere when you brought the question up. something un-alpha, and how would alpha react to that.

[FDG]

I think the question Maritsa is really trying to ask is: What would you do if you found yourself at a party hosted and attended primarily by Gamma Rationals.

nah I don't think ENTjs care about that kind of thing. Actually all democractic extraverts are the "wildest" types, least likely to care about social norms. In fact I think ENTjs descriptions say that ESI check that LIEs jokes are not "out of bounds", or something like that - mostly we ignore those warnings, though - life is too short!

The point that I was trying to demonstrate here is that ILE and ESE will joke or try to "push the envelope" to make humor in a situation where they are expected by social ettiquette to not, and SEI and LII will not joke in the same situatio

Yeah but that's common among all democratic quadars. ILE-ESE-LIE-SEE are the troublemakers and rule-breakers, SEI-LII-ESI-ILI are the grumbling rule-abiders. Obviously dualized people take up some qualities of their duals so the Es will be less troublemakers and the Is less grumbling, but that's the general nature of these interactions.

[Krig the Viking]

nah I don't think ENTjs care about that kind of thing. Actually all democractic extraverts are the "wildest" types, least likely to care about social norms. In fact I think ENTjs descriptions say that ESI check that LIEs jokes are not "out of bounds", or something like that - mostly we ignore those warnings, though - life is too short!

Okay then, let's put it this way: which types would be most likely to host and/or attend such a restrained party?

[marooned]

Okay then, let's put it this way: which types would be most likely to host and/or attend such a restrained party?

I kind of think anal restrained people attend anal restrained parties and the anal can actually be found within any quadra and any type.

[FDG]

Okay then, let's put it this way: which types would be most likely to host and/or attend such a restrained party?

ISFj-INTp couples, or ESTj-ISFj couples (perhaps ESTj-INFj, but INFjs can become quite wild at parties with people they know well)

[FDG]

ISTj

No way. ISTjs are the wildest IJs as far as partying goes

[Creepy-]

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