Partially inspired by a description that says ESFj disrespect weakness, but aren't inclined to think that INTjs are weak bz INTjs stand up for their beliefs.
Partially inspired by a description that says ESFj disrespect weakness, but aren't inclined to think that INTjs are weak bz INTjs stand up for their beliefs.
"Weak" is a rather vague term... hmm. Physical weakness I don't care about much at all. Other forms of weakness I dismiss as needlessly metaphorical and demand another term.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Didn't your mother ever teach you to always look for the strengths and usefulness in the things around you rather than weakness?
I'm with Brilliand, it depends on what you mean by "weakness". Physical weakness I don't despise at all, in fact, I feel sympathy for it. Moral weakness, on the other hand, I absolutely loathe.
Quaero Veritas.
Yeah, I kinda do. Not physical weakness of itself, but displays of it - like an example that sticks in my mind is of this IEI guy who was arm-wrestling a guy and wouldn't give in .. I think he won actually, but he was all pale and trembling at the end of it and it kinda made me feel sick.. though I didn't want to feel that way. :/ I mostly felt embarrassed for him. Like why would he make a display of himself like that? I don't disrespect people who are physically weak, but cognizant of their limits - who don't go to stupid extremes like that. But weakness to me is mainly giving into a whim, temptation or something, regardless of a prior resolve made.
"Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."
No way.
Why? We're all human:
We all have our strengths and weaknesses.
Trying erase one part is like trying to get rid of the black side of the yin and yang.
As a 3 I must say yes, definitely, but I usually try to help them get over their weaknesses.
The saddest ESFj
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I disrespect untalented people who try to do something they are not suited for. (Quite a few of these)
I disrespect people who have a lack of skills and abilities entirely. (Not so many of these)
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
My spontaneous reaction to weakness is disrespect. Or it makes me feel good that I'm better than someone else. But I distance myself from such feelings, I don't want to feel that way, it's really low. Then I try to put myself in the situation of the weak person, or think of all things that I show weakness in, and then I can overcome this feeling of disrespect.
I don't. At least not in the way the statements are phrased. Regarding the first phrase, it depends in part on the person's awareness of their own abilities and why they are doing what they're doing. For example, if they are required to do something they are not suited for, say, for their job and they're not good at it, I don't disrespect them. Rather, I feel sorry for them and wish them luck in finding something more suitable. Some of these people, may just have not reached a point yet, where they have self-awareness of their true talents and abilities.
I think there is a difference between people who know they are not talented in an area and attempt to do it anyway vs. those who attempt something because they are not aware that they have lack talent. I'm more likely to disrespect the former and very rarely the latter. Then again, I may just pity the former group. It really depends on the context.
Regarding the second phrase, do you mean to say those who lack skills and abilities entirely in a *specific realm* or on a more *global scale* ? The specific realm case would be related to the first statement you made. I'm not so sure there are people who have a lack of skills and abilities *globally* unless they are in some vegetative state where they would be truly incapable of consciously responding to the world around them. Everyone is different and everyone has their own unique sets of talents and abilities. The reason for lacking these abilities vary. In some cases it may just be that the person hasn't practiced enough. Or in some cases, ability is inborn and has a more genetic component. But why would I disrespect these people? Especially for things that are inborn and they cannot control. Its like disrespecting someone for who they are rather than for their actions and intentions. I was kind of offended by the second statement actually. If you're going to make sweeping statements like that, please clarify the context in which you are making that statement.
LII-Ne with strong EII tendencies, 6w7-9w1-3w4 so/sp/sx, INxP
Yeah, I don't think that hkkmr's second statement will ever actually come into play.
As for the first statement, I know that I've disrespected people before that fit that description, but I've also respected people who fit that description; I'm having trouble putting my finger on the difference.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
Yeah, I agree with hkkmr's first statement too. I think the difference you're thinking of is that some people recognize a weakness in a certain skill and strive to improve it while others won't have the humility to recognize their own weaknesses and instead insist on doing something they aren't good at and argue that they can do it.
I don't have an issue with people who have weaknesses, I have an issue with people who are unwilling to recognize their weaknesses or unwilling to learn from someone who is perhaps more adept at that skill.
As for physical weakness, I have no disrespect for that.
ILE
7w8 so/sp
Very busy with work. Only kind of around.
Yes, that sounds right. I also won't particularly disrespect someone who's being forced to do something they aren't good at and just sort of gives up; I suppose that's in between the two sorts that you mentioned.
I think i see two dichotomies here... what's the fourth option...
- Knows they're bad at it and tries to get better
- Thinks they're good at it and doesn't try to improve
- Knows they're bad at it and doesn't try to improve
- Thinks they're good at it and tries to get better
The last two are both sorta meh... because the problem will go away with time (either they'll get out of the field, or they'll actually become good at it).
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
If someone exhibits mine weaknesses which I desperately want to get rid off, then I can get really annoyed.Alphas, do you disrespect weakness?
sorry for my bad grammar, i'm not in a right mood
I'm a elitist prick so I look with menace and disdain upon all mere mortals.
Ah... ants I see, where is my magnifying glass, ah a joy to burn them with the heat of the sun!
There is no glory in humility nor in skill. Sincerity, love, care, service, touch, these are all far more inviting for me. It is hard to ascertain the poverty and richness of others, and by circumstance our circumstances are compounded.
A leveling will occur, whether thru benevolence or brutality. I rather entertain brutality until kindness sways my heart.
Yes, the humble people are pleasing because they're nice, not specifically because they're humble. Is there such a thing as a nice prideful person? I can imagine this in a person who isn't actively doing what they're so wrongly proud of at the time... overconfidence can be endearing when not put into action.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
I don't disrespect physical weakness. I am very weak myself Crying is weakness, but crying is strength.
D-SEI 9w1
This is me and my dual being scientific together
is weakness at issue or respect at issue?
respect is earned. those who experience weakness yet cope with it and develop strength have my respect.
those who are strong but who exploit the weak have not earned my respect.
those who are honest have my respect...the dishonest must cope with disrespect.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
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Weak people are alright...
but stupid people are just stupid.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
if dishonesty is weakness then i disrespect weakness. and there are levels of lying...so theoretically there could be a lot of disrespect sooooo....
but yeah.
*edit* holy shit i just noticed i already responded to this thread and basically said the same thing already. at least i'm consistent.
ILE
those who are easily shocked.....should be shocked more often
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Weakness disrespects alpha.
A lot.
PS: and your moms, too.
(PPS: thanks, firefox, for correcting my improper spelling of momma and suggesting, instead, moms. I find that even more entertaining)
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Obviously, you can hear them do it and you can recognize it when they do, therefore your S is strong because you can tell the differentiation in the tone; otherwise, you wouldn't have asked this question.
Weak? Again, why is it weak for someone to do that unless tone, which is S function, you somehow related to Se.
Reality? Se-stand up for your beliefs.
Again, I don't see voice as a representative of a person being weak or strong; I don't measure a person's worth by their strength, which again is tied to Se.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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It doesn't matter; hearing and tying these heard things to real matter of real existence makes it Se.
You can't even give an example of how Se hearing would translate as...I just gave you an example of what they hear and how they judge a hearing perception...same as Se (5 major real matter of as it is perception). It's the same as Se vision saying "The door is black"; she says "This is how they sound"
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html