Hmm, this is a more extreme form than what I was thinking of. I would argue that many quite normal people do not experience this at all.Originally Posted by tcaudilllg
Perhaps this would be a better definition: "any negative emotion tied to oneself." This would allow, for example, a person to feel shame at the thought of being demoted by their boss for reasons outside of their control.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
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Johari
Why? Wouldn't such an event trigger rage, at someone or something? (or ambivalence)
Perhaps, but shame is also a possibility - at least in the social sense, "I will lose status compared with my neighbors," which can indeed be followed by a loss of sense of self-worth.
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
This doesn't have to do with socionics. Socionics is info processing, it is not related to emotional/social/psychological disorders.
It is possibly relevant to Enneagram.
The end is nigh
Ah yes... this belongs in "other typologies" imo, as it's really about the psychiatric-disorder typology.
Those Tcaud did make some correlations to Socionics later in the thread...
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
If you believe Schizotypal to be related to LII's, would you say Schizoid is related to ILI's?
ILI (FINAL ANSWER)
No
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Guilt , shame and empathy are actually positive emotions. They help people not abuse others. Without those feelings, you'd just easily take advantage of others and not give a shit. It enables you to balance your needs and desires with the rest of the world's.
True, people without guilt, shame and empathy are almost always extremely successful in the world. But at the expense of everybody else's sadness. Once you wake up yourself, they lose their own power. And they either have to move on to other victims, or they have to stop what they are doing....or society has to remove the individual as he's too harmful to too many people. Usually though they'll just move on to other people in the guise of helping them.
Most therapy doesn't work cause most people in therapy are the ones that don't need to be there, the ones that actually have a conscience, heart, and empathy/guilt if they do the wrong thing. But society has a huge trouble with actually dealing with the people that need to be dealt with, so they create scapegoats out of the people that will cry and show mercy. People get a sense of gratification of 'helping the victims' instead of standing up to the offenders. In order to create a better world that people will actually want to participate in, people need to stand up to the offenders and ignore the victims, they can deal with their own pain just fine.
I was referring to the emotion which drives the choice. The selected response. Now is the biological correlate to shame related to schizophrenia development? That might be something to ask.so saying that it's the "root cause" has to account for that.
There is an ex-psychiatrist blogger who has a similar idea to this one, but describes shame specifically as a cause of narcissistic pd.
The Last Psychiatrist
That sounds like it's worth checking out.
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