VI this girl please

[Aiss]

If you don't know VI then you take a picture of a person who is in an odd moment then you can mistype them.

I don't do VI.

I don't believe in VI.

I haven't said *anything* about that girl's type based on the photos.

Your reply doesn't make a slightest bit of sense - what did you think I wrote again?

[The Exception]

I laughed when I read ESE and 6 being listed as an impossible combination somewhere... my mother is both.

Mine too.

[Airman]

wow...this topic has grown interesting.

perhaps that has got something to do with an idiot breaking my nose because I got the cell phone number of his female friend and he was very upset at that.

anyway, seems it is likely she´s INFj then... we read each other´s minds...it´s amazing really. and we´re very connected, I don´t know why. we both feel we know each other too well, we both attribute this to we knowing each other in other lives. could this happen in a ESTj-ISFp relationship too?

[Beautiful sky]

wow...this topic has grown interesting.

perhaps that has got something to do with an idiot breaking my nose because I got the cell phone number of his female friend and he was very upset at that.

anyway, seems it is likely she´s INFj then... we read each other´s minds...it´s amazing really. and we´re very connected, I don´t know why. we both feel we know each other too well, we both attribute this to we knowing each other in other lives. could this happen in a ESTj-ISFp relationship too?

Ofcourse it can. To test duality...test her empathy; Invite her over, ask her if she would like you to cook for her, if she worries whether she will put you out or not then she's INFj. Ask her, what she was thinking if she hesitates to tell you "yes, please cook for me."

The first thing any INFj will do in this situation, is to worry if the person cooking for her has enough to eat for themselves.

[Airman]

Ofcourse it can. To test duality...test her empathy; Invite her over, ask her if she would like you to cook for her, if she worries whether she will put you out or not then she's INFj.

what do you mean by 'put you out' here?

[Beautiful sky]

what do you mean by 'put you out' here?

INFj's are concerned about the financial security of the individual who is offering to take care of them or to feed them; if she gets the feeling that you can't afford to feed yourself let alone feed her then she will empathize and hesitate to accept your offer.

We will hesitate to accept such offeres from individuals if we feel that by feeding us, it will "put them out" as in they will not be able to afford another meal.

[Airman]

INFj's are concerned about the financial security of the individual who is offering to take care of them or to feed them; if she gets the feeling that you can't afford to feed yourself let alone feed her then she will empathize and hesitate to accept your offer.

do I see some jealousy turned into rage here honey? are you saying I can´t even feed myself let alone her?

[Airman]

this is very unpolite for you to say, Maritsa.

[Beautiful sky]

do I see some jealousy turned into rage here honey? are you saying I can´t even feed myself let alone her?

No, I am saying that INFj's are concerned about the people we date. It's a good way to test the person you are dating to see if they are INFj by the empathy they display towards/for you.
This has nothing to do with what I think you can do financially.

[Airman]

I can´t believe you said that, Maritsa.
I have a broken nose and now I have to stand you saying that I cannot afford even my own meals. What type of poor famin do you think I am? Now I was very offended by this. Never expected this from you.
It seems you´re out of reality again.

[Beautiful sky]

I can´t believe you said that, Maritsa.
I have a broken nose and now I have to stand you saying that I cannot afford even my own meals. What type of poor famin do you think I am? Now I was very offended by this. Never expected this from you.
It seems you´re out of reality again.

Honey, I can't believe you got yourself in a situation to get a broken nose in the first place. Here let me put some ice on it and give you and kisses.

[dinki]

Yes we do, we are very conservative in our clothing style. You have to try to understand this from a psychological perspective, that we are uncomfortable with our body image; we feel awkward, too skinny too unshapely. Because of Ne influence, we feel that clothing don't fit well, that materials possess us.

Wtf. The INFj chick I know wears dresses to her thigh when it's snowing.

Also, rofl @ "Delta vs Beta: Delta wins.". What are you like 12 ?

[Beautiful sky]

Wtf. The INFj chick I know wears dresses to her thigh when it's snowing.

Also, rofl @ "Delta vs Beta: Delta wins.". What are you like 12 ?

I don't know her, how are you convinced she is INFj? By what behaviors?

[dinki]

I don't know her, how are you convinced she is INFj? By what behaviors?

By our relationship. She's big on Fi. She's obvious. I think every type can slut it up.

Also, the chick in the photos looks like an INFj to me.

[Beautiful sky]

By our relationship. She's big on Fi. She's obvious. I think every type can slut it up.

Sometimes, INFp's display more Fi then INFj's and what do you mean by Fi?

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[dinki]

Sometimes, INFp's display more Fi then INFj's and what do you mean by Fi?

Seriously? Ha. No, really she's INFj ^-^

[Beautiful sky]

Seriously? Ha. No, really she's INFj ^-^

What do you see that you interpret to be Fi?

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She seems to be quite of an introspectively sentimental person. I'm sure she is an introvert. She seems to be sensitive and to have a life full of inner feelings. From what Airborne said she seems to consciously see her ties with other people as a deep personal linkage, like a profound binding with her friends, dates, what so ever, or at least, I think it's what she aches for.

It appears that in contrast to people who have in their ego block, the connection that she might seek, as in matter of an ethical function, probably is a connection between her internal feelings and other people's interior and sentimental identity. She seems to be extremely sensitive and fragile emotionally speaking, and it's clear to me that her ethical function is introverted.

It seems she is always seeking for others, even if she doesn't take the initiative for it, it's explicit that she is trying to build bindings between her own intimacy and other people's intimacies, she seems to be trying to find someone with who she can be in deep and close emotional communion.

As Airborne said, she appears to always be in a quest for people she can love. It also seems that she feels loneliness as a constant in her life, everyone can feel lonely, but it seems, from the last picture, that solitude is the worst monster that she can ever face. I think that if she went out of friends and contacts, her spiritual state would degenerate fast.

In my opinion she is an leading type, but not a sensory type, rather an intuitive one. In other words, EII.

[Beautiful sky]

spiritual state would degenerate fast.

In my opinion she is an leading type, but not a sensory type, rather an intuitive one. In other words, EII.

Airborne also said she uses Fe well and sexually provokes him...that's a bit too immodest to be EII. I highly disagree with your typing or your interpretation. Welcome to Socionics 101.

She is also hedonistic and open and receptive to Si...making her ISFp. Looks are deceiving especially when women are viewed through the eyes of men who favor docile looks like "fragile" and "delicate"; Type is under the skin my dear, it's not over the face.

Here, let me help you right along your path>...

"SEIs have a strong connection to and ability to recognize internal physical states in themselves and others. They understand how these states are reached and are able to easily recreate or avoid them if desired. They are innately drawn to situations that satisfy their inner physical needs and experience. They are usually skilled at the art of recreation, enjoyment, and positive aesthetic experience.

SEIs often feel that they are in a rush, both mentally and physically. Therefore, they can sometimes feel like they need to get everything done at once (which can be explained by the SEIs base and role functions). When an SEI starts a personal project, they often have the tendency to try to get concrete results in the shortest amount of time, which can lead to rushing and carelessness. This could lead to the SEI becoming stressed and overworked.

Often unable to express their feelings well using words, the SEI will instead create "art" (artwork, food, writing, or any other aesthetic situations) to illustrate the comfort or discomfort that they are experiencing internally."

SEIs try to make their living space comforting and appealing to the senses and strive to improve the lives of those they are close to. "

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Airborne also said she uses Fe well and sexually provokes him...that's a bit too immodest to be EII.

Well, yes it can be, I'm trying to guess not to impose my view about the subject on others. I think that sexually provoking people is not something connected to any function, I've sexually provoked people using as some people have sexually provoked me using approaches. The big question here is: How does she sexually provoke him? Everyone can do that, every single EII I know is able to do that, but in a discreet way.

I highly disagree with your typing or your interpretation. Welcome to Socionics 101.

are you really welcoming me or you are being sarcastic or maybe even greeting me in an insincere way, just following the acquaintanceship formulae and societal obligations?

She is also hedonistic and open and receptive to Si...making her ISFp. Looks are deceiving especially when women are viewed through the eyes of men who favor docile looks like "fragile" and "delicate"; Type is under the skin my dear, it's not over the face.

I don't want to be annoying in anyway, really excuse me if I am by saying this, but don't you think you are contradicting yourself by stating this? you seems to criticize VI and validate it at same time. If you think that external attributes don't tell anything about a person's type, why do you even try using VI? why do you even visit this part of the forum? By the way, you're hostile toward VI or toward people who disagree with you?

I think that imposition of opinions, strong sexual restraint up to the level of appealing to the authority of tradition and morality, conservativeness, lack of diplomacy, and authoritative approach to people are really common features in ESI's and not really present in EII. ESI's have real hard time trying to accept opinions that are contrary to theirs, I can tell so with confidence, I have an ISFj mom and she is my conflictor. The EII's I know are also sexually restrained and really connected to moral codes, but they don't see their moral codes as something to be imposed and regulated upon others, they think that these things are up to them and not something to be transformed in objective and explicit rules.

Anyway, excuse me If I've said anything you didn't like since the beginning, regards.

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Oh, I'm sorry, you erased your last post

[Beautiful sky]

Well, yes it can be, I'm trying to guess not to impose my view about the subject on others. I think that sexually provoking people is not something connected to any function, I've sexually provoked people using as some people have sexually provoked me using approaches. The big question here is: How does she sexually provoke him? Everyone can do that, every single EII I know is able to do that, but in a discreet way.



are you really welcoming me or you are being sarcastic or maybe even greeting me in an insincere way, just following the acquaintanceship formulae and societal obligations?



I don't want to be annoying in anyway, really excuse me if I am by saying this, but don't you think you are contradicting yourself by stating this? you seems to criticize VI and validate it at same time. If you think that external attributes don't tell anything about a person's type, why do you even try using VI? why do you even visit this part of the forum? By the way, you're hostile toward VI or toward people who disagree with you?

I think that imposition of opinions, strong sexual restraint up to the level of appealing to the authority of tradition and morality, conservativeness, lack of diplomacy, and authoritative approach to people are really common features in ESI's and not really present in EII. ESI's have real hard time trying to accept opinions that are contrary to theirs, I can tell so with confidence, I have an ISFj mom and she is my conflictor. The EII's I know are also sexually restrained and really connected to moral codes, but they don't see their moral codes as something to be imposed and regulated upon others, they think that these things are up to them and not something to be transformed in objective and explicit rules.
Anyway, excuse me If I've said anything you didn't like since the beginning, regards.

Then maybe you are ILE. I meant to say, stop looking at her tender face and start looking at her VI, type.
She also loves to go party often, which I don't do.

On your second post, both can do the same because of Fi; where Ne comes in is EII loves ideas and ESI is sceptical about what value or where ideas will lead them to; I read tramendous theory and ideas, and I love them.

[Airman]

that´s interesting Claudius you seem to have read her soul. most of what you say in your first post on this thread is correct.

she provokes me sexually but she´s at the same time shy. she says she wants somebody to love deeply. she phoned me 7am this morning, messaged me 6am, I woke up and asked her if something had happened, she said 'no just to talk'.

she wants a deep bond. she says she wants a partner who is an ACCOMPLICE, these are her words. she´s very girly, doesn´t behave like 25 years old most of the time, although she is intelligent and sometimes surprises me.

i really cannot know her type, but probably from what I´ve gathered until now, INFx, then I don´t know whether INFP or INFJ.

[Beautiful sky]

that´s interesting Claudius you seem to have read her soul. most of what you say in your first post on this thread is correct.

she provokes me sexually but she´s at the same time shy. she says she wants somebody to love deeply. she phoned me 7am this morning, messaged me 6am, I woke up and asked her if something had happened, she said 'no just to talk'.

she wants a deep bond. she says she wants a partner who is an ACCOMPLICE, these are her words. she´s very girly, doesn´t behave like 25 years old most of the time, although she is intelligent and sometimes surprises me.

i really cannot know her type, but probably from what I´ve gathered until now, INFx, then I don´t know whether INFP or INFJ.

Airborne, have you lost sight of me and your friend why I VI'd INFj?

Please look at this post about Si..
http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/615879-post10.html

[Airman]

Airborne, have you lost sight of me and your friend why I VI'd INFj?

it´s impossible to lose sight of you, you´re posting here 20-hours per day.

my other friend...well I don´t know really. I´m not very much into anyone at the moment, I´m just a little confused with this girl here, because she´s touching my sensitive side. the other one you said was an INFJ I´ll be seeing again when I´m able to attend classes again, hopefully soon.

[Airman]

this girl HATES ESTp men... and she very often attracts them, but breaks relationships with them easily, saying they hurt her feelings and are too insensitive.

in my country there are much more ESTPs than ESTJs, maybe she hasn´t found one yet... I´d say very rare for someone to be ESTJ around here. there are lots of ESTPs.

[Beautiful sky]

this girl HATES ESTp men... and she very often attracts them, but breaks relationships with them easily, saying they hurt her feelings and are too insensitive.

in my country there are much more ESTPs than ESTJs, maybe she hasn´t found one yet... I´d say very rare for someone to be ESTJ around here. there are lots of ESTPs.

There are far more ISTp's then ESTp's but far less then both ESTj's

[Beautiful sky]

it´s impossible to lose sight of you, you´re posting here 20-hours per day.

my other friend...well I don´t know really. I´m not very much into anyone at the moment, I´m just a little confused with this girl here, because she´s touching my sensitive side. the other one you said was an INFJ I´ll be seeing again when I´m able to attend classes again, hopefully soon.

What do you mean your sensitive side?

Here's SEI and please read and compare to EII...thank you.

http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=SEI

http://www.wikisocion.org/en/index.php?title=EII

EII are moderate/conservative dressers in comparison to SEI, however some SEI will wear things to fashion.

Best way to see if anyone is EII is to test for empathy and to test for what causes she is fighting for because EII are always choosing causes to dedicate themselves to.

[Airman]

There are far more ISTp's then ESTp's but far less then both ESTj's

what did you mean dear? that there are far more ISTPs than ESTPs, but there are far less of both in comparison to ESTJs? so more ESTJs? please re-phrase this.

[Airman]

What do you mean your sensitive side?

the tiny part of me which is still able to fall in love.

[Beautiful sky]

what did you mean dear? that there are far more ISTPs than ESTPs, but there are far less of both in comparison to ESTJs? so more ESTJs? please re-phrase this.

There are far less ESTj then ESTp or ISTp. There are more ISTp then ESTp

[Airman]

I´m not discarding SEI for her , Maritsa.

She may be an ISFp...yes... but I have to see that she has got some INFj characteristics.

[Beautiful sky]

I´m not discarding SEI for her , Maritsa.

She may be an ISFp...yes... but I have to see that she has got some INFj characteristics.

She will appeal to your sensitive Si side for the mask to look like INFj (pleasent, sweet, endearing)...

Just watch for Fe...emotions and how she will use them for your attention... More of a positive environment you create, the more she will come to you.

EII have even emotions on the outside and sad/melencholic at others or happy when drunk.

"SEIs are sensitive to the emotional atmosphere around them, either from an individual, a group, or even from inanimate objects and their physical environment. A positive emotional atmosphere is essential to their sense of well being and inner peace, and they either try to create that atmosphere by directly influencing their surrounding, or by simply removing themselves from the situation or people that in their view is the cause of a negative emotional environment. In the former case they often use humor to lighten the atmosphere by cracking jokes and lighthearted teasing.

A SEI can also take the role of a "clown" of sorts to ensure all people are emotionally light and comfortable. SEIs are also capable of creating an intimate open atmosphere where others can be comfortable sharing their emotions or talking about their problems. SEIs also tend to mirror and heighten the emotions experienced by the group dynamically.

SEIs are generally unable to conceal their feelings because their faces are so emotionally expressive. They display their comfort and discomfort vividly, and can often be seen wearing the widest smiles or the longest frowns."

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EII.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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EII have even emotions on the outside and sad/melencholic at others or happy when drunk.

Don't you think that this is the way she looks on the pictures? Would you want me to lend you my glasses so you can see them better?

SEIs are generally unable to conceal their feelings because their faces are so emotionally expressive. They display their comfort and discomfort vividly, and can often be seen wearing the widest smiles or the longest frowns."

I also really agree with this, that's one of the main reasons I disagree with your typing that the girl in question is a SEI, you contradict yourself really frequently, Maritsa.

Look at the pictures again, do you see anything of expressive and exuberant in her face? Like SEI's facial expression? Can't you see the melancholy that she presents to us on every single picture? Everything you said in these two statements about EII and SEI is quite accurate, in my humble opinion, and that's why I think they make your typing wrong... don't you see that you are declaring yourself mistaken? The worst part of all is that you don't even notice your own paradoxes.

[Beautiful sky]

Don't you think that this is the way she looks on the pictures? Would you want me to lend you my glasses so you can see them better?



I also really agree with this, that's one of the main reasons I disagree with your typing that the girl in question is a SEI, you contradict yourself really frequently, Maritsa.

Look at the pictures again, do you see anything of expressive and exuberant in her face? Like SEI's facial expression? Can't you see the melancholy that she presents to us on every single picture? Everything you said in these two statements about EII and SEI is quite accurate, in my humble opinion, and that's why I think they make your typing wrong... don't you see that you are declaring yourself mistaken? The worst part of all is that you don't even notice your own paradoxes.

Perhaps you should see some plain shots of me and compare; I understand where in my two passages you see the contradiction in the logic. That first, EII have even emotions and melancholic at night; happy when drunk and you see that SEI is the same. I am working on a good example of the difference in Fe for you here...

There's also a very interesting way that SEI talk about sensations of touching saying "ooh I like the way he feels" Sexually SEI love to touch to feel the sensations of the individual's body. I am very reserved in this manner and wait to be touched, wait for initiation of someone's sexual interest in me. I hug family and friends in a non sexual manner, but I am not as physically expressive or as sensually expressive as SEI are.

Airborne can compare for you the individual who I typed as EII and this young lady here as far as how they speak about sensations, of sexual nature, and their physical manifestations of this behavior.

Because of the EII's striving to lock many emotions in, to other's, unless she is drunk, she may seem like a sad person or a spacy person (but in reality they are in deep thought or in deep mood). SEI, more so then EII, look like they are more emotionally expressive.

You should test for PoLR..it's very clear with EII, push or apply too much indirect force, she will either cry, argue back in a nonsensical way; Push SEI and you see a standstill, and regrouping of resources or the right things to say and do or burst of emotion then calmness, because the person better understand the function and can deal with it better then EII when applied.

"SEIs are adept at perceiving fights over power of a confrontational nature around them and are able to resist them or even actively participate in them if that is seen as unavoidable. However they see no point in giving these power struggles priority over their own sense of comfort and well-being. Participation in violent physical activities where such fights may take place, as in some sports, are motivated not by those fights themselves but by the stimulating sensations those activities generate, such as the release of adrenaline."

You sort of have to understand the function in order to let it go on an emotional level of sorts, which, unfortunate is not true for EII. Weak and unvalued makes it Se PoLR for EII.

Fe manifests in

"SEI knows when to use to raise the mood of a group or an individual on account of their ability to sense physical states of people and groups gifted by Si."

This young lady provokes him and gets to his emotional side while an EII would empathize and try not to provoke the emotions of the individual. The subtle differences are difficult to dissect and realize from pictures and from the outside until you interact with the two together. But do trust me, I don't see myself in those eyes or in the words that Airborne uses to describe this young lady.

[Beautiful sky]

Don't you think that this is the way she looks on the pictures? Would you want me to lend you my glasses so you can see them better?



I also really agree with this, that's one of the main reasons I disagree with your typing that the girl in question is a SEI, you contradict yourself really frequently, Maritsa.

Look at the pictures again, do you see anything of expressive and exuberant in her face? Like SEI's facial expression? Can't you see the melancholy that she presents to us on every single picture? Everything you said in these two statements about EII and SEI is quite accurate, in my humble opinion, and that's why I think they make your typing wrong... don't you see that you are declaring yourself mistaken? The worst part of all is that you don't even notice your own paradoxes.

I see flirtation in her pictures.