How would you define it?
How would you define it?
What do you mean by Fi change?
also because of the definition wikipedia gives me of Fi:
Fi is responsible for understanding the quality, nature, and proper maintenance of personal relations; makes moral judgments; and aspires to humanism and kindness. Fi has a strong understanding of the social hierarchy and how people feel about each other, their attitudes of like or dislike, enthrallment or disgust, repulsion or attraction, enmity or friendship.
The proper maintenance of a relationship is to love unconditionally, to provide love, comfort and warmth, to care for without need of any affirmation or praise. Be kind to people, even those who don't have any status. To make sure that people are not banned or excluded from groups because of certain beliefs. To prevent wars, fighting, and arguing. To provide moral support and encourage the success and achievement of all individuals. Encourage people to be good and do good things.
To not give into petty fears or paranoia. To aspire for closer bonds and humanism.
From Socioniko "This function is inertial; many emotions are inside such a person, but they do not go outwards, and rather stay “conserved”. Such people are very passionate in evaluating other people, but from outside they seem to be “emotionless”, smiling just as much as etiquette requires. They are good spectators of relations: in a small collective, they very quickly feel who has which relations with whom. They can work with people – as lawyers, pedagogues, etc. However, being so attentive to people's relations, they do not like, even more, they are afraid of “intellectual initiative”, do not like arguing, because it can “break” or just significantly change relations with other people."
We rarely discuss these feelings that we have about others unless, in my case, my dual. Again attentiveness, conscientiousness are a staple.
Last edited by Beautiful sky; 04-08-2010 at 04:59 PM.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
I'm thinking that the basic delta Fi pole is interest. Interested vs non-interested. A interest which is held as a factor of interest in something else (like a means to an end) constitutes a motivation. People are motivated or unmotivated, in the general sense.
What is the term for a change in motivation? How do people gain motivation and lose it?
Hmm VERY interesting question. i will have to ponder this one a bit.
However, I will comment now that I agree with your thought that delta Fi involves motivation (in part). I seek to be motivated towards something, and I value motivation in others.
Why is delta Fi motivation? I think its probably because it's Fi blocked with Ne. Ne sees potential and comes up with ideas based on that potential. The idea is what sparks motivation. If it's a doable idea and things progress well and the desired goal is being reached then motivation continues. If the idea doesn't pan out, or seems overwhelming, or just can't be done at the moment, or if the purpose fizzles, then motivation dissipates. I think it's also because Ne & Fi are also involved with valued Si, i.e. I'm hesitant to pursue an idea if it's just going to be wasted effort and fall apart, but I can't always tell in advance.
I think this is where Si and Te can help Ne and Fi quite a bit. Si and Te can tell how doable something might be, and are equipped with finding the most practical way of materializing the ideas and motivations generated by Ne and Fi.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
I'm not sure there is a word for change in Fi. What would be the word for a single change of motivation? It seems like there is no single term.
Delta Ne is potential (at the collective level) and capability (at the case level). Fi and Ne have a relationship in that Fi is desire and Ne is the opportunity to gratify it.
I believe that a change in Ne would be termed "evolution" or "development". The idea that skills can be development is contrary to notions of natural ability or "talent".
I believe that EIIs have a feeling of chronic ambivalence to opportunities, and that this ambivalence causes them to seek motivation.
Last edited by tcaudilllg; 04-08-2010 at 11:52 PM.