Ti/Te PoLR

[Brilliand]

What do they believe?

I've mostly seen ego claimed; when someone specifies a single type, it's usually EIE. Rick typed her IEI, and still hasn't changed his mind, although he admits to being unsure.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[mu4]

Te-polr have problems trusting information they're given. They are unlikely to trust unreliable sources of information and make a determination based on anything but personal experience or vision. I've found that often XEI like to have some (what they feel to be reliable) reference material which they will consult when doing something, but often have problems doing research outside of that. They're often quite skeptical of reasonable reliable sources of information that some people find ok. They need someone to explain it to them or someone to do it and prove it in front of them, then they will have some trust of that information.

Ti-polr have a problem assessing contradiction and often a total inability to reason outside their personal preferences. They tend to view contradictory information based on external sources as valid as long as it supports their personal preference. This leads to a great deal of hypocrisy on their part, althrough that's even more prevalent in the Fi base types. They can have a lot of reference material on hand but are almost overly trusting of them, unable to assess the various contradictions within these materials and can be easily duped by something that merely appears reliable but appeals to their personal preference.

Note that these types have either Fe or Fi in the 8th function, they're not that great at their 6th function either and even less conscious of it althrough quite receptive to that sort of information.

All ethical types are weak in Te and Ti, which means they show the same weaknesses some of the times, but they are willing to submit in their super-id elements to other people.

[Creepy-Pied Piper]

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[mikemex]

Are you really this dense Mikemex? She's just upset because she knows what she's doing, but she wants to be seen as more than how she chooses to make a living, which by the way- is probably none of your business. You're like reading into things and making all these criticisms/insights/judgements about her, but really she just wants to be seen as a WHOLE person, she's already aware that she's a prostitute.

You're reading Fe where there is none. I'm a Te valuer, don't forget. I do not make statements with the intention to convey what I personally think about something. I never said anything about approval or disapproval, so it can't be a judgement. I simply make descriptive, neutral statements.

I have similar moments with a SEI friend of mine by the way. It must be a Fe valuer thing to assume that when a person is talking about something, he or she is above all trying to share his posture about it. We Te valuers are more interested in sharing information than our feelings.

[Galen]

Okay Riddy did something really cool on me the other day and I feel it worth sharing.

In this experiment Riddy asked me to describe a factorial (the mathematical exclamation point thing). Riddy just said "0! = 1, n! = n * (n-1)!", whereas my response was something to the effect of: "a process by which a whole number is multiplied by whole numbers between itself and zero, noninclusive." These two responses seem super indicative of Ti vs Te because of the matter of process involved. I feel like Te valuers see mathematical equations like this as a process with discrete steps that are to be followed in order to reach an accurate outcome. On the other hand, Ti valuers see these equations as single set definitions whose definition is something much more intrinsic than the discrete, dynamic processes that a thing exhibits. It's as if Te creates definitions of things based on the processes that a thing has, while Ti sees those processes as secondary attributes based on the definition of the thing.

That being said, I feel now that Ti PoLR is a great difficulty (impossibility?) in coming to understand what a thing is without taking its processes into account, and Te PoLR is a great difficulty (impossibility?) in coming to understand what a thing's discrete processes and steps are without already knowing the 'real' definition of something.

To extrapolate further, the same sort of things can be said for Fe PoLR and Fi PoLR, the only real difference being between external vs internal. One can kinda think of Fe as Te in a different medium, so the same sort of things are looked for and created in different places and out of different materials. Fe creates the same sort of processes as Te, except on a more inherent and intangible level; the same applies to Fi and Ti, the same sort of creations in different atmospheres. When applied to the human aspect, Fe creates 'definitions' of people based on these intangible processes that people go through, generally something dealing with dynamic emotional states. Conversely, Fi sees those changing states or 'definitions' that Fe creates as something secondary to who the person 'really is.' I know this isn't what was asked about, but it still seems apt to try to share what I consider as similarities between the two field statics as well as the object dynamics.

[Mediator Kam]

Riddy's is easier to understand, maybe because I am used to seeing that notation rather than seeing math explained by words rather than symbols and numbers.

[Trevor]

I do not make statements with the intention to convey what I personally think about something.