Fe = Blue

[ArchonAlarion]

I want you to tell me what the color blue is.

Note: You cannot refer to the idea of colors nor any scientific mumbo jumbo.


I just want you to tell me what blue is like.

Because maybe if you can conjure up that, you'll be able to tell me what the functions "are like".


Here's my try: Blue is like cold air. Blue is the sky. Blue is pacifistic. Blue is an ocean. Blue is sad. Blue is serene. Blue is calm.


So, from my descriptions could you imagine what blue really is? If you were blind, would this really do blue justice?



(Hint at what my point is: Fe is emotions. Fe is expressions. Fe is social gestures. Fe is talking. Fe is being nice. Fe is banter. Fe is a birthday party...)


Blue is blue is blue is blue is blue...

[Rubicon]

Why are you assuming people are blind? Yeah, it's easy to define what blue is - point to all the things that are blue.

[ArchonAlarion]

Lol right, so point to all the products of Fe.

The issue now is understanding that Blue is a specific thing. It's not a box that you throw related words and concepts into.

You may use analogies like "calm, placid, misty, cool, etc", but those things don't belong to Blue. If you are calm, you aren't necessarily blue.

Fe is not a box either. It is actually an aspect of human psychology. This box idea comes from the erroneous belief that elements are categories of info. They aren't. Things don't have elements, people use elements to process whatever information they gather.

[Rubicon]

Lol right, so point to all the products of Fe.

The issue now is understanding that Blue is a specific thing. It's not a box that you throw related words and concepts into.

You may use analogies like "calm, placid, misty, cool, etc", but those things don't belong to Blue. If you are calm, you aren't necessarily blue.

Fe is not a box either. It is actually an aspect of human psychology. This box idea comes from the erroneous belief that elements are categories of info. They aren't. Things don't have elements, people use elements to process whatever information they gather.

So you're saying that an Fe person essentially sees everything through blue-coloured glasses?

[ArchonAlarion]

Sorta. Maybe only ESE =p

[Mediator Kam]

bro, i am not seeing the correlation between Fe and blue.

[Krig the Viking]

Lol right, so point to all the products of Fe.

The issue now is understanding that Blue is a specific thing. It's not a box that you throw related words and concepts into.

You may use analogies like "calm, placid, misty, cool, etc", but those things don't belong to Blue. If you are calm, you aren't necessarily blue.

Fe is not a box either. It is actually an aspect of human psychology. This box idea comes from the erroneous belief that elements are categories of info. They aren't. Things don't have elements, people use elements to process whatever information they gather.

Blue is in fact a category. It's an arbitrary division of the spectrum of visible light which we label in English "blue". The fact that this category, strictly defined, excludes things like "calm, placid, misty, cool, etc." does not invalidate the fact that it is a category. In fact, blue as a category is much more arbitrary than Fe as a category -- where does the line between blue and green fall? How do we know what is blue and what is green? It's a mutually agreed upon arbitrary category that facilitates communication about colour. Fe, on the other hand, has a set of distinct features that separate it from other information elements in a less arbitrary way. In the end, however, all categories are arbitrary in some way, as categories are simply Ti's way of breaking down and trying to understand the world in discrete chunks.

However, I think your larger point, that the category and the thing that is being categorized are not the same, is a valid one. I think what you're getting at is the difference between haecceity and quiddity (thanks, Pinocchio, for finding those useful words! ).

[The Exception]

Blue is a colour, the perception of which is evoked by light having a spectrum dominated by energy with a wavelength of roughly 440–490 nm.

[MatthewZ]

Blue is a colour, the perception of which is evoked by light having a spectrum dominated by energy with a wavelength of roughly 440–490 nm.

I prefer the range limited to 480nm to leave some room for Cyan as a legitimate color.

[jughead]

Wow an ILI insuts me on a thread about Fe.
Your a dumbass.
The volume it speaks is basically my type turd whop.

A struggler for the emotional naturalness of people.

[ArchonAlarion]

Wow an ILI insuts me on a thread about Fe.
Your a dumbass.
The volume it speaks is basically my type turd whop.

A struggler for the emotional naturalness of people.

Translation:

Wow, an ILI insults me in a thread about Fe.

You're a dumbass

This speaks volumes about my type, you turd whop.

Someone who cares far, far too much.