I wonder how deltas deal with having emptiness of the soul, and what kind of thing has helped or hasn't.
I wonder how deltas deal with having emptiness of the soul, and what kind of thing has helped or hasn't.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Cookies. They fill it with cookies.
Seriously, though, I don't know. Probably some sort of cause, helping others, getting outside yourself to really do some good in the world.
Then of course the things that make everyone happier: more close relationships, more fulfilling job/hobby/something, having some sort of goal that you're making progress towards.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
Cookies, physicality, and sharing discovering life with people, those do it a lot. The more meaningful things I share with people, the better.
I think you can also have a lot of tie-in there with your relationship to God....
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I don't want to make this into a "me" thread though, but idk, the emptiness just comes back and don't know what it is. I want to see what other people do, etc.
I wasn't going to go there, but yeah, I think a lot of the lack of satisfaction people tends to have does at least to some degree relate to the relationship with God or lack thereof. That's what I think anyway.I think you can also have a lot of tie-in there with your relationship to God....
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
I'm open to the possibility of emptiness being related to spirituality. It's like the feeling of not being satisfied, regardless of what you have... Wanting more from things/people and it not being delivered. It sucks.
I deal w more anxiety than emptiness, but I definitely have experience w that empty feeling [as all people do, I'd guess]. I wish I had some grand piece of advice to offer, lol, but I don’t. Maybe some older, wiser Delta will come to the rescue of us all. But for now, here’s what occurs to me:
Sometimes thinking of and doing some random nice thing for another person/people helps. Actually, that's probably the one thing that almost always helps.
Painting helps a lot when I'm in those moods, too. I let my mind wander free; my thoughts swirl around for a while as I paint, and I almost always work through things in my head and feel a sense of relief afterward. It's like I keep myself busy w the activity of painting something and thinking about that, and that frees up the rest of my mind/energy to work on whatever problems I'm dealing with.
Walking or running through the forest w my dog is very relaxing to me and helps me focus my thoughts sometimes. I really like to hike up a mountain that’s near my house and then stand at the top and look out at everything stretching out in every direction… kind of helps w perspective. Plus, it’s quite a workout to get up there and endorphins are good things, heh. [BTW If I'm going for a walk/run bc I feel down, I usually don't take my iPod w me; it's better if I don't clutter my mind even more w outside noise.]
Sometimes writing helps when I feel anxious or down. I'll look up quotes on a particular topic, read through them, and take one that resonates w me as a jumping-off point for a journal entry [typed, not hand-written, bc my handwriting is atrocious... also my hands can keep up w my thoughts better if I'm typing].
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I go dancing. Hang out with friends and family.
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Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 5 (wings either 4 or 6)?
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
This might sound cliche and fake to some people, but for me the thing that by and far does it is God and his love. It's a kind of... underpinning security, something I can always go back to, rely on, and get meaning from. So I'll pray, sometimes I'll read my Bible (since that's one verbal way I can hear from him), sometimes I'll just think about things. Other things that I can do include checking to see if I'm physically healthy (sometimes chemicals and their imbalances can do weird things), get hugs from people I love (I heard once that people need a certain number of hugs a day, and I think we all don't get near that quota), play/cuddle with an animal (furry ones are generally best for this), do something nice for someone. Sometimes distractions help, but if it's a deeper thing that only postpones and even builds the feelings up, so that might not always be the best idea.
Generally, for me, the emptiness feeling is temporary. Which it seems, from what I've observed of lots of other people, might be a little unusual. It seems to come on me most often after I've spent some time ignoring God, though I think circumstances and hormonal changes can play a part, too.
I do want to say I'm not entirely sure there's a perfect connection between being close to God and not experiencing emptiness. I mean, I know of quite a few people of great faith who also chronically suffered from depression, for example. So saying, "You need to know God and your problems will be fixed", is hardly the answer I'd give. All I can really offer are my own experiences.
Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.
I don't have a feeling of emptiness and I'm an atheist You give meaning to everything around you, not anything/anyone else. So if you want to give yourself importance, or find a goal that you can realistically attain, it'll be of your own volition. You are making yourself feel empty, not the world or anything else.
I wasn't going for spiritual necessarily with this thread. Also, I don't agree with that last sentence, to me it goes against the concept of being stimulated by the senses. Feeling involves external stimuli. How can I make myself feel empty? or why would I even want to do such a thing?
Since I've developed my spiritual self more and gotten to know God better and such things... I've noticed that my ability to recover from "bad situations" and "bad feelings" has gotten a lot better. Sure bad times still happen, but I feel much more grounded now in my life.
Esp the hugs part.Other things that I can do include checking to see if I'm physically healthy (sometimes chemicals and their imbalances can do weird things), get hugs from people I love (I heard once that people need a certain number of hugs a day, and I think we all don't get near that quota), play/cuddle with an animal (furry ones are generally best for this), do something nice for someone. Sometimes distractions help, but if it's a deeper thing that only postpones and even builds the feelings up, so that might not always be the best idea.
Also for myself, I have realized that I need to do stuff. I seriously become depressed if I don't do stuff and I'm not involved. My current signature features a quote from Holmes about mental stagnation, and I relate to that, but also physical stagnation - doing things that are productive are good, but also actually physically getting up and doing things. Sometimes when I'm not feeling well and I have to 'sit still' for a while or can't move much, part of the problem is that I'm not moving around and being my usual involved, interactive self. I think that other people are the same way to, to varying degrees. But definitely for me, I have a strong craving for involvement.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
It's really transient for me. Matter of hours type transient. Maybe it's an Aristocratic thing?
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And it's less a "nothing delivers" sentiment, but more of a specific want for something I see as missing. I also have a weird habit of transmuting that want into a want for some concrete experience, like sitting somewhere with lots of trees and no people, or a hug, or something.
I used to ignore it, and just eat a cookie or get really anxious and try to ignore feeling bad. But now I sit there and ask myself why I feel that way/what I'm really feeling/what I need to do to feel better. And that really helps.
The feelings are just an indication that something is not working for you at your life in that moment, so ignoring it just makes it worse.
I also talk about this stuff w/ a few close peeps and that always helps and usually ends up in an inspiring sort of discussion.
Hi! I'm an ENFP. :-)
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I relate w this too.
When I'm feeling anxious I often find that it's because something is bothering me but I have pushed it away without taking the time/energy to really understand what is bothering me and why. That's why writing helps me sometimes... actually I'm thinking now of that quote, "How can I know what I think until I see what I say?" I'm pretty sure I'm taking that out of context by relating it here, but it is relevant [to me at least] bc by writing and seeing what comes out I sometimes come to realizations about what's bothering me that I hadn't/might not have otherwise. The trick is taking the time to actually sit down and do it...
I usually reflect on what is bothering me and think about how I can improve the situation; retaining feelings of self-pity and melancholy is not something I usually do, since I know that it won't help me get out of said negative state.
Overall, I find that doing something that's outside of myself makes me feel more fulfilled, whether it be doing or saying something nice to someone to brighten their day or/and use the wallowing time to work on something like cleaning or what not. Generally I find that I only feel unfulfilled when I'm being overly introspective, so I suppose when I'm not "in my head" I feel more purpose in life, and thus accomplish more
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I'm definitely noticing a theme of doing nice things for others in this thread.
I know that really helps me.
I was in a huge slump today and this old lady at a store I was shopping at asked me to get some items down for her (she was short). And then she said how everyone in her family is tall except for her. It really cheered me up. I think she was actually an old IEE because she asked in a not very demanding way. Like "Do you know if that one way up there is purple like this one is?" It was cute
Hi! I'm an ENFP. :-)
Thank you for the clues and comments, Workaholics.
I´m in doubt about my type so I´m going to post a picture in the VI topic to see what people think about my type.
Great observation and, actually it is how I deal with the emptiness. In fact, I usually feel empty when I think I am not doing enough...
Sometimes, I think that my personal psychological constitution will inevitably collapse. But I know I have people who will be there for me.
Also, I am very happy with all the responses.
Ceci n'est pas une eii.
Whatever I did it did not bring me happiness so I do not think I know the right answer. I tried travels, I tried dating women just to distract myself. First didn't work after a quite short period, second brought quite shitty results (hurting people).
Although the second thing actually solved the problem eventually, I guess I just found the right person (At least I think so now), so I do not feel empty anymore. I think my life makes perfect sense and I have a direction which I can follow without distractions and feelings of emptiness or loneliness.
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Focus on what is required to fill that emptiness, not on specifics, but general things. If it is love, focus on finding a true love that brings mutual happiness and enriches the soul. That focus can help draw you away from damaging situations and guide you to where you need to go.
close your eyes and forget the details and ask yourself in the simplest terms "what is it I need to fill my soul with joy"
Ifa person appears as the answer, ask yourself what it is about that person. Is it something real, or is it part of a fantasy? break down the things that you like, work out what is real and what's projected.
Ask yourself other questions, find out what else in your life is unsatisfactory, choose your path and march, march towards joy, and bliss and all the shiny good things in the world.
It won't make things better straight away, however by focusing on what you realistically need, it can help you see past narrow infatuations, enrich your spirit and give fresh purpose.
Back away, if you are meant to be friends in future you will be.
IEE-Ne
Workaholics:the guys I said that used to go to rave parties and take xtc with me are socionics ISTPs very probably.
thanks a lot for taking me away from that irritating MBTI thing and bringing some light to my understanding. now I´m reading only socionics sources.
and yes I think this stuff about dualization is too intense, too emotionally-charged perhaps that´s why I´ve never had an INFJ girlfriend or even date as far as I remember and only now this one INFJ girl popped up again. If it is not materialized, or if it fails at a certain point, the emotional stress is too much. I don´t know if it´s worth.
I have felt this emptiness, all my life, no matter the circumstances, bountiful or bleak. There is no answer. It is what we all are at our heart. I think accepting it helped, though.
http://vimeo.com/45097801
Edit: Is it only delta?
"And we're killing each others, and we're hating each other. And were calling eachother liers and evil because it's all become marketing and we want to win, because we're lonely and empty and scared and we're led to believe winning will change all that...."
Last edited by Reficulris; 01-08-2014 at 12:54 PM.
No, I'm pretty sure the emptiness is universal.
For me at least, there are moments where it can become a fullness or a companion, or a part of the unity- much like what Wacey already said.
I wonder if the issue is not if only deltas experience their own particular brand of existential emptiness, but whether the way they deal w/ it is different from beta, for example. Or are those two things interrelated?
In regards to your guy's quires, I really don't know. I figured it was universal, the emptiness. When I first really realized it as a young man in all its truth, both incredible and frightening, I assumed that I would have to soldier on with this sort of "terrible secret", that I felt everyone knew, but spend their lives distracted from knowing. I have no answers though, and can't imagine finding any after almost a decade of searching. I try to pursue, mostly, that which makes me feel solid to fill the emptiness. What else is there?
I do want to add that I don't think this is existential as I understand that concept. It is more spiritual.
Did you guys watch the movie? It's quite good....
This emptiness is often referred to as the God-shaped hole in the heart that only God can fill. I know, I once tried to fill it with other things and every accomplishment or goal left me wondering why I still felt empty inside.
St. Augustine, (born 354 A.D., died 430 A.D.) tried everything before his conversion, living a life of intellect and worldly pleasure before finding God. His most famous book is his spiritual autobiography, called Confessions. The third sentence into his book says this:
“Lord, you have made us for Yourself, and our hearts are restless until they find rest in you.” (Confessions 1.1.1.)
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P.S. @Director Abbie: great minds think alike.
Sold your soul to the delta.
hold up deltas feel empty inside just like I think they are? Its interesting to hear someone actually voice what I suspected.
No idea. I got lana del ray clones dragging along my ankles singing about video games. they are killing me. I suspect the solution is to leave typology and join the real world.
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