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    Since Maritsa keeps pushing Rod Novichkov's visual typing style so much I thought maybe we could talk about how worthy or unworthy his methods actually are in the field of Socionics.

    Here are links to overviews of his and Julia Varabyova's book titled How To Find Yourself And Your Best Match. Socionics The Modern Approach To Psychological Type.

    How to Find Yourself and Your Best ... - Google Books

    Amazon.com: How to Find Yourself and Your Best Match. Socionics. The Modern Approach to Psychological Types (9781430328155): Rod Novichkov, Julia Varabyova: Books

    By Maritsa "anything fun is worth knowing about" (Tujunga, CA)
    This review is from: How to Find Yourself and Your Best Match. Socionics. The Modern Approach to Psychological Types (Paperback)
    Rod Novichkov, the author of this book, has given you his personal email address in the book to answer any questions you may have about the book and the process of Socionics. He's an individual who cares about the science behind this interesting phenomenon. I have purchased three copies of this book so far and people I give it to can't get over how bad their system of determining who they were going to go out was in the past. Certainly, a new way of looking at you and the people around you. Purchase this book for all your dating family members to help them decide on taking a conscious choice on choosing good relationships.

    This is an excellent book on the theory of personality types. It is extensively detailed, broken down into digestible categories. My friend was asking what an extrovert is and how do I know which one I am and I couldn't explain it to him; I only knew that we were different. With this book you will be able to explain in clear words what differences there are between people. I'm an educated individual and I believe in keeping an open mind about theories that can be revolutionary. Socionics is the only way to have good relationships.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzzy View Post
    Since Maritsa keeps pushing Rod Novichkov's visual typing style so much I thought maybe we could talk about how worthy or unworthy his methods actually are in the field of Socionics.
    I think it's been proven by her application that his methods are duff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa
    I'm an educated individual and I believe in keeping an open mind about theories that can be revolutionary. Socionics is the only way to have good relationships.
    This last part is just gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    WOW
    This feels like you're stalking me.

    I would NEVER pull anything from the net about you to justify anything about you. I would ask. This is outright WRONG. And, not to mention, something that INFj's do NOT do at people.
    This is the internet - A giant library full of information and I am doing my research in this library. If it happens that your name comes up often when one searches for Rod Novichkov's then it is because of things you have done, said or written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    I think it's been proven by her application that his methods are duff.
    I agree but let me just give it a go by trying out these methods on myself because for all we know there could be some truth somewhere in all of this. Although the claim in the book of 'We think it is the only thing you need to know' scares me straight away and I see no signs that they have conducted studies except for looking at famous peoples photographs.

    Ok when I look at the conceiving versus perceiving diagram on pg 53 it is clear that I have a conceiving type head setting.
    How to Find Yourself and Your Best ... - Google Books

    So I will lock in XXXj. That was easy!

    Next intellectual versus emotional. The book claims that intellectuals have a flat, relatively large and expressive forehead when compared to the lower part of the face.Whilst emotional people's foreheads are small and less expressive when compared to the lower part of the face which shows expressions.

    This seems to not support what I have previously learnt in the past which is that it is extroverted types which have more expressive foreheads and introverts who have less expressive foreheads.
    This is one site that I have looked at in the past to see if visual identification could be applied very well in Socionics. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be working properly at present as all of the sketches are not being displayed.
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    Just double checked that link and it's not working as it only takes you to the home page. Unfortunately it looks like you have to become a member before you can see the visual information now.

    Also how does one type all of the more unusual foreheads like ones that slope back a lot etc by Rod's method?

    So what forehead type do I have? Well clearly it's the small less expressive emotional one according to Rod's book.
    So I now lock in XFXj.

    Now apparently the eyes can give away if you are using or or or .
    Extraverted intuition eyes Do I have those? They are according to the book piercing eyes. I do not feel that I have piercing eyes but yes I do stare at one spot. But it says stares with eyes and mouth (am not sure if my mouth stares, lol). Yes I can see peoples 'cores' and yes I always have problems memorizing word for word.

    Introverted intuition eyes Are those my eyes? These are wide absent eyes, not pausing on any material objects. They give the impression of not seeing at all. Are my eyes like that? Well maybe they look that way, I often find myself just staring unfocusedly. If those are my eyes then I should be able to easily tell you what a certain character trait will evolve into after 30 or so years ( that's a mighty long time, I could tell you what it would evolve into in say 5).

    Extroverted sensing eyes Am I using this type? Apparently these eyes move a bit. In fact they are called running eyes! They examine people head to toe not missing a single detail and they can recall these details even on the deathbed-scary! They also remember long passages of verbatim. Oh this one is so not me .

    Introverted sensing Are my eyes using this? These are slow moving floating eyes.They look like they are scanning the background and are good at perceiving the relationship between objects rather than objects themselves. You could say that my eyes are slow moving but I fail miserably at percieving the relationship between objects as I often bump, bang and trip into things. So no.

    I will lock in and eyes which overall gives me intuition eyes to lock in.
    So now I have XNFj.

    Now am I introverted looking or extroverted looking? According to the book introverts are preoccupied with the internal processes which is reflected on their faces. They are often caught looking inside themselves or having an absent look. Yes I agree that I look like that.

    Extroverts are dissociated from their inner world to a greater degree than introverts and display tenser faces. Their face reflects what is occurring around them which includes nothing if nothing is occurring. When they look at something their faces often seem passionate and engaged.
    Well I don't think that is me at all but it doesn't mean that I don't ever have passionate and engaging moments.

    So I am now locking in INFj.

    Yes that's what I think I am...but wait...there's more...

    There are other important features to look for:
    The lips: To be an intuitive you have to have skinny lips. Oh no I have lips and that are not skinny as!
    Facial flesh: Intuitives NEVER have this.
    Oh no again. I have a little.
    The Body: Intuitives NEVER have a full body.
    Oh dear, I do.
    The Hands: This happens to be the MOST indicative feature. Intuitives have skinny, unshapely and knuckled hands.
    I fit that hand description except for the skinny bit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzzy View Post
    I agree but let me just give it a go by trying out these methods on myself because for all we know there could be some truth somewhere in all of this...
    Suzzy, that was too funny lol
    PS: didn't wanna quote the whole thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzzy View Post
    I agree but let me just give it a go by trying out these methods on myself because for all we know there could be some truth somewhere in all of this. Although the claim in the book of 'We think it is the only thing you need to know' scares me straight away and I see no signs that they have conducted studies except for looking at famous peoples photographs.

    Ok when I look at the conceiving versus perceiving diagram on pg 53 it is clear that I have a conceiving type head setting.
    How to Find Yourself and Your Best ... - Google Books

    So I will lock in XXXj. That was easy!

    Next intellectual versus emotional. The book claims that intellectuals have a flat, relatively large and expressive forehead when compared to the lower part of the face.Whilst emotional people's foreheads are small and less expressive when compared to the lower part of the face which shows expressions.

    This seems to not support what I have previously learnt in the past which is that it is extroverted types which have more expressive foreheads and introverts who have less expressive foreheads.
    This is one site that I have looked at in the past to see if visual identification could be applied very well in Socionics. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be working properly at present as all of the sketches are not being displayed.
    Google Translate
    Just double checked that link and it's not working as it only takes you to the home page. Unfortunately it looks like you have to become a member before you can see the visual information now.

    Also how does one type all of the more unusual foreheads like ones that slope back a lot etc by Rod's method?

    So what forehead type do I have? Well clearly it's the small less expressive emotional one according to Rod's book.
    So I now lock in XFXj.

    Now apparently the eyes can give away if you are using or or or .
    Extraverted intuition eyes Do I have those? They are according to the book piercing eyes. I do not feel that I have piercing eyes but yes I do stare at one spot. But it says stares with eyes and mouth (am not sure if my mouth stares, lol). Yes I can see peoples 'cores' and yes I always have problems memorizing word for word.

    Introverted intuition eyes Are those my eyes? These are wide absent eyes, not pausing on any material objects. They give the impression of not seeing at all. Are my eyes like that? Well maybe they look that way, I often find myself just staring unfocusedly. If those are my eyes then I should be able to easily tell you what a certain character trait will evolve into after 30 or so years ( that's a mighty long time, I could tell you what it would evolve into in say 5).

    Extroverted sensing eyes Am I using this type? Apparently these eyes move a bit. In fact they are called running eyes! They examine people head to toe not missing a single detail and they can recall these details even on the deathbed-scary! They also remember long passages of verbatim. Oh this one is so not me .

    Introverted sensing Are my eyes using this? These are slow moving floating eyes.They look like they are scanning the background and are good at perceiving the relationship between objects rather than objects themselves. You could say that my eyes are slow moving but I fail miserably at percieving the relationship between objects as I often bump, bang and trip into things. So no.

    I will lock in and eyes which overall gives me intuition eyes to lock in.
    So now I have XNFj.

    Now am I introverted looking or extroverted looking? According to the book introverts are preoccupied with the internal processes which is reflected on their faces. They are often caught looking inside themselves or having an absent look. Yes I agree that I look like that.

    Extroverts are dissociated from their inner world to a greater degree than introverts and display tenser faces. Their face reflects what is occurring around them which includes nothing if nothing is occurring. When they look at something their faces often seem passionate and engaged.
    Well I don't think that is me at all but it doesn't mean that I don't ever have passionate and engaging moments.

    So I am now locking in INFj.

    Yes that's what I think I am...
    Interesting that you got the right answer from the main stuff.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    Interesting that you got the right answer from the main stuff.
    Yes it is. I think it could be worth looking at further. Perhaps a few other people would like to post whether or not they think this visual typing method correctly determines their type. Just maybe leave out the 'other important features part'.

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    Ok. I will try doing this myself.


    Quote Originally Posted by Suzzy View Post
    I agree but let me just give it a go by trying out these methods on myself because for all we know there could be some truth somewhere in all of this. Although the claim in the book of 'We think it is the only thing you need to know' scares me straight away and I see no signs that they have conducted studies except for looking at famous peoples photographs.

    Ok when I look at the conceiving versus perceiving diagram on pg 53 it is clear that I have a conceiving type head setting.
    How to Find Yourself and Your Best ... - Google Books

    So I will lock in XXXj. That was easy!

    This part I am not sure. In some pictures it looks like I have p head in others j. I guess I need a good teacher.

    So XXXx


    Quote Originally Posted by Suzzy View Post
    Next intellectual versus emotional. The book claims that intellectuals have a flat, relatively large and expressive forehead when compared to the lower part of the face.Whilst emotional people's foreheads are small and less expressive when compared to the lower part of the face which shows expressions.

    This seems to not support what I have previously learnt in the past which is that it is extroverted types which have more expressive foreheads and introverts who have less expressive foreheads.
    This is one site that I have looked at in the past to see if visual identification could be applied very well in Socionics. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be working properly at present as all of the sketches are not being displayed.
    Google Translate
    Just double checked that link and it's not working as it only takes you to the home page. Unfortunately it looks like you have to become a member before you can see the visual information now.

    Also how does one type all of the more unusual foreheads like ones that slope back a lot etc by Rod's method?

    So what forehead type do I have? Well clearly it's the small less expressive emotional one according to Rod's book.
    So I now lock in XFXj.
    For this part my forehead takes 1/3 of my face. Yes it does look relatively large. Example here:


    So I have XXTx

    Now apparently the eyes can give away if you are using or or or .
    Extraverted intuition eyes Do I have those? They are according to the book piercing eyes. I do not feel that I have piercing eyes but yes I do stare at one spot. But it says stares with eyes and mouth (am not sure if my mouth stares, lol). Yes I can see peoples 'cores' and yes I always have problems memorizing word for word.

    Introverted intuition eyes Are those my eyes? These are wide absent eyes, not pausing on any material objects. They give the impression of not seeing at all. Are my eyes like that? Well maybe they look that way, I often find myself just staring unfocusedly. If those are my eyes then I should be able to easily tell you what a certain character trait will evolve into after 30 or so years ( that's a mighty long time, I could tell you what it would evolve into in say 5).

    Extroverted sensing eyes Am I using this type? Apparently these eyes move a bit. In fact they are called running eyes! They examine people head to toe not missing a single detail and they can recall these details even on the deathbed-scary! They also remember long passages of verbatim. Oh this one is so not me .

    Introverted sensing Are my eyes using this? These are slow moving floating eyes.They look like they are scanning the background and are good at perceiving the relationship between objects rather than objects themselves. You could say that my eyes are slow moving but I fail miserably at percieving the relationship between objects as I often bump, bang and trip into things. So no.

    I will lock in and eyes which overall gives me intuition eyes to lock in.
    So now I have XNFj.
    This sounds completely right. When I would chat on webcam with my ESFp friend I would see his eyes running a lot. Myself I relate to both Se and Si. more Se.

    XSTx



    Now am I introverted looking or extroverted looking? According to the book introverts are preoccupied with the internal processes which is reflected on their faces. They are often caught looking inside themselves or having an absent look. Yes I agree that I look like that.

    Extroverts are dissociated from their inner world to a greater degree than introverts and display tenser faces. Their face reflects what is occurring around them which includes nothing if nothing is occurring. When they look at something their faces often seem passionate and engaged.
    Well I don't think that is me at all but it doesn't mean that I don't ever have passionate and engaging moments.

    So I am now locking in INFj.
    Extroverted. ESTx

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarinana View Post
    [IMG]http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin/alternative-socionics-theories/alternative-socionics-theories/alternative-socionics-theories/alternative-socionics-theories/alternative-socionics-theories/....[IMG]
    I think you look like an Se dominant. You have that style about you. But this simple judgment doesn't mean much, because it's VI. Compared to actually getting to know you? Screw VI for the most part, its just a picture. It's not going to help me be certain about anything. I'm not going to be certain about a picture, I will be certain about a person and their personality. I understand there is an association made, that personality changes but Socionics types don't, that's why VI is so catchy, because a face never changes either. How moronic.

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    Perhaps i have a slightly more perceiving head shape, but am not positive.

    So I will lock in XXXp.

    I have an a small forehead and expressive lower face

    So I now lock in XXFp .

    Extraverted intuition eyes Do I have those? They are according to the book piercing eyes. I do not feel that I have piercing eyes but yes I do stare at one spot. But it says stares with eyes and mouth (am not sure if my mouth stares, lol). Yes I can see peoples 'cores' and yes I always have problems memorizing word for word.

    Introverted intuition eyes Are those my eyes? These are wide absent eyes, not pausing on any material objects. They give the impression of not seeing at all. Are my eyes like that? Well maybe they look that way, I often find myself just staring unfocusedly. If those are my eyes then I should be able to easily tell you what a certain character trait will evolve into after 30 or so years ( that's a mighty long time, I could tell you what it would evolve into in say 5).

    I also cannot choose between these two.
    So now I have an XNFp locked in .

    I feel that I am more so introverted by the descriptions.

    So I am now locking in INFp.

    The ones i was least sure was introverted/extroverted and perceiving/judging.... (my head shape is half way in between, so you cannot tell)

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    i'd be interested in Rod's explanation of his method, if he's willing to reply. cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by he died with a felafel View Post
    i'd be interested in Rod's explanation of his method, if he's willing to reply. cheers
    Does this mean that Rod has an account here at the 16 Types? If so why does he not speak about his methods and teach them if they are correct. But more importantly, how have his methods ever been proven. Are they just his and Julia Varabyova's opinions or is there some research, truth etc to back up these claims. Or is it all just about money - sales of books?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzzy View Post
    Does this mean that Rod has an account here at the 16 Types? If so why does he not speak about his methods and teach them if they are correct. But more importantly, how have his methods ever been proven. Are they just his and Julia Varabyova's opinions or is there some research, truth etc to back up these claims. Or is it all just about money - sales of books?

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    Add something from me. Tell him to take care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suzzy View Post
    Does this mean that Rod has an account here at the 16 Types? If so why does he not speak about his methods and teach them if they are correct. But more importantly, how have his methods ever been proven. Are they just his and Julia Varabyova's opinions or is there some research, truth etc to back up these claims. Or is it all just about money - sales of books?
    i have no idea suzy, that's why i suggested he answer these questions himself. according to maritsa, rod is the socionics institute user.

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    WOW
    This feels like you're stalking me.

    I would NEVER pull anything from the net about you to justify anything about you. I would ask. This is outright WRONG. And, not to mention, something that INFj's do NOT do at people.
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    maritsa, i think you've spoken about rod and other socionists publicly on the forum, you've also pointed people to your blog several times....What i'm trying to say is you have divulged most of the info suzy brought up yourself.
    edit: as an aside, didn't you address Rick DeLong in a similar way when trying to make a case about his type...?
    edit 2: also, everyone googles people these days. Why? Coz they can. And you have mentioned your typing method is the only one that works - people will google you when you make that claim. They want to know who you are and what your intentions are.
    Last edited by felafel; 03-30-2010 at 06:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    WOW
    This feels like you're stalking me.

    I would NEVER pull anything from the net about you to justify anything about you. I would ask. This is outright WRONG. And, not to mention, something that INFj's do NOT do at people.
    You did this to Rick you fucking moron.

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    maritsa27.newsvine.com - Maritsa Darmandzhyan

    on this site maritsa talks about socionics known by MIT. But I think she is confusing the socionics of augusta with another branche that by accident has the same name. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    maritsa27.newsvine.com - Maritsa Darmandzhyan

    on this site maritsa talks about socionics known by MIT. But I think she is confusing the socionics of augusta with another branche that by accident has the same name. Correct me if I'm wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by maritsa
    I have studied Socionics Psychology from master Socionists, Rod Novichkov, MS and Dr. Antonina Volkova, PhD of Sociology University of Moskow. I am very excited that Socionics is being captured in the physics, mathematics, and genetic areana at Harvard University and MIT, here in the states, not only because the discovery of certain truths will provide fundamental scientific discoveried of how we are shaped, but because Socionics itself is a very exciting new way of looking at human psychology. I believe that unlike the western psychology we use here in the states, eastern psychology (Socionics) can truly help people overcome neurosis and even psychosis. Oh wait, I said nothing about myself...my Socionics type is EII/INFJ and I'm Armenian (it's kind of rare to find and INFJ in the Armenian community; I consider myself lucky in that respect). I'm getting my masters in Psychology and Sociology; hopefully, soon you will see me working at some university or another teaching Socionics.

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    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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