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    Alpha, Beta, Delta, Gamma.... don't worry about being formal use your own words, and if you disagree let the debates fly.... its the only way people learn shit.

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    Beta: loud dumb psychopaths
    Gamma: silent back-stabbers dumb red necks greedy moralist psychopaths
    Delta: silent druggies moralist red necks
    Alpha: friendly, smart, funny people / naive head-in-the-clouds idiots / nerds
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    DCNH: Dominant --> perhaps Normalizing
    Enneagram: 7w6 "Enthusiast"
    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
    Astrological sign: Aquarius

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Beta: loud dumb psychopaths
    Gamma: silent back-stabbers dumb red necks greedy moralist psychopaths
    Delta: silent druggies moralist red necks
    Alpha: friendly, smart, funny people / naive head-in-the-clouds idiots / nerds
    ^ makes me realise I'm definitely Alpha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    ^ makes me realise I'm definitely Alpha!
    realize
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    MBTI: ENTJ "Field Marshall" or ENTP "Inventor"
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    I find the quadra groups most difficult to explain and therefor least useful for typing.

    Quadra's are simply there to show which people get along best.

    For typing use clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    For typing use clubs.
    If it's something like "SF = socialites, NT = nerds and geeks", clubs are rather useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    realize
    realise
    "Language is the Rubicon that divides man from beast."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    realise
    Truck, oil, lift, garbage and rooster
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Beta: loud dumb psychopaths
    Gamma: silent back-stabbers dumb red necks greedy moralist psychopaths
    Delta: silent druggies moralist red necks
    Alpha: friendly, smart, funny people / naive head-in-the-clouds idiots / nerds

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1981slater View Post
    Beta: loud dumb psychopaths
    Gamma: silent back-stabbers dumb red necks greedy moralist psychopaths
    Delta: silent druggies moralist red necks
    Alpha: friendly, smart, funny people / naive head-in-the-clouds idiots / nerds
    DRUGGIES in Delta?? Really?? my impression was that the druggies tend to be in Beta, actually. Rednecks too--that seems to be more of a beta attitude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WorkaholicsAnon View Post
    DRUGGIES in Delta?? Really?? my impression was that the druggies tend to be in Beta, actually. Rednecks too--that seems to be more of a beta attitude.
    Rednecks is sort of a general ST thing, druggies is a sort of general NF thing. Betas are more hard drugs, I suppose, LSD, seeing visions; Deltas are more smoke pot to stay in a constant state of chill, zen, I'm okay-you're okay, things are going well sort of bliss. Beta rednecks are more, "Get off my property! Grrr," and delta rednecks are more, "I don't like them there fancy city folk, our ways are our ways and our ways are just fine." Yes, they value Ne, but they aren't up for any major or sudden change to their lifestyle.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Alpha: Life as a slapstick comedy with fart jokes. Kinda like Judd Apatow with a little less sex and a little tamer language, maybe.
    Beta: Life as a visionary tragedy. A band of lone warriors try to overcome insurmountable odds, experience both success and failure, ascent and decline, and ultimately go down fighting, winning extraordinary aesthetic dignity and changing the world in the process.
    Gamma: Life as a comedy of manners (sorta). The kind that laughs at the failings of others.
    Delta: Life as a heartfelt and sincere movie-of-the-week. A story of how people working together can create a happy ending, not anything perfect or ideal, but happy and satisfactory.

    Alpha: Enthusiasm
    Beta: Ecstasy
    Gamma: Improvement
    Delta: Satisfaction

    Alpha: Nonsense verse, langpo, e.e. cummings.
    Beta: Romantic poetry
    Gamma: Metaphysical poetry
    Delta: Victorian poetry

    (on every one of these my gamma one is the worst. It's because I've never seen a complete gamma quadra; I've seen SEE with ESI, SEE with ILI, but never SEE, ESI, ILI, LIE).
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Delta: Life as a heartfelt and sincere movie-of-the-week. A story of how people working together can create a happy ending, not anything perfect or ideal, but happy and satisfactory.


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    Alpha: ENTp/ISTp -new ESFj/INTj -Tradition, relax, great food, justice
    Beta: ENFj/ISTj-emotion, justice, support ESTp/INFp -success, win
    Gamma: ESFp/INTp-home, family, close and trusting friendship, gardening
    ENTj/ISFj -work
    Delta ESTj/INFj -balance, growth, good food, great pleasure, support
    ENFp/ISTp-our personal goals and hard work, easy on chores
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


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    Very loosely defined, abstract groups that you get when people with supposed perfect compatibility get toghether. They rarely manifest in reality in any concrete way and are overrated as a topic of understanding for that reason.

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    hehe
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    Alpha: Life as a slapstick comedy with fart jokes.
    Disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labcoat View Post
    Disgusting.
    Oh please. Who doesn't love a good fart joke? Regardless, alpha is definitely a lighthearted comedy sort of quadra. I guess LII-Tis can be kind of stuffy, in which case they might prefer life as a fantasy novel with a complicated mythology, but I feel like the ESEs wouldn't like that. Lighthearted comedy is something the whole quadra family can enjoy.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

    Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Oh please. Who doesn't love a good fart joke? Regardless, alpha is definitely a lighthearted comedy sort of quadra. I guess LII-Tis can be kind of stuffy, in which case they might prefer life as a fantasy novel with a complicated mythology, but I feel like the ESEs wouldn't like that. Lighthearted comedy is something the whole quadra family can enjoy.
    *ahem*



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    P.S. fart jokes are more Beta, imo. It's part of Se's sense of humour to be really in-your-face and confronting (*points at discojoe*), and crudity is one way of achieving this.

    I still can't pick a style of movie that represents Alpha, though. I personally want to say "Let the other quadras be movies, Alpha can be slice of life anime", but I'm weird like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Oh please. Who doesn't love a good fart joke? ...Lighthearted comedy is something the whole quadra family can enjoy.
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    Alpha:


    Beta:


    Gamma:


    Delta:
    The end is nigh

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    I think this one is the best so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Fine, if none of the alphas want to be a lighthearted comedy, you don't have to be... grumble grumble grumble. I shall think of another one.
    There is a high level of sophistication and wit associated with all clever humor. Fart jokes aren't funny past the 4th grade no matter what quadra you're in.

    For instance, Mozart, in the movie Amadeus, is pretty clearly, imo, portrayed as an alpha (probably NT), and I think in that movie he has some sort of fart joke, which in the context of the society portrayed in that movie is fairly extreme as a violation of social norms, but is not really all that shocking or extreme, the way a more typically beta joke might be.
    Filatova types the Amadeus portrayal of Mozart as IEE. She's EII.

    Fart jokes can be funny not in themselves, but if they're part of a broader context. Mozart was trying to put on an all round vulgar act. But you aren't laughing at the fart jokes, just his craziness.

    A fart joke might be funny to be Betas if it evoked some Se happening or environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    There is a high level of sophistication and wit associated with all clever humor. Fart jokes aren't funny past the 4th grade no matter what quadra you're in.
    False. First of all, it's incredibly culturally dependent, like I said. Second, have you never seen Dumb and Dumber?
    Filatova types the Amadeus portrayal of Mozart as IEE. She's EII.
    Eh... maybe. ILE is my guess, but I haven't watched the entire movie.

    Fart jokes can be funny not in themselves, but if they're part of a broader context. Mozart was trying to put on an all round vulgar act. But you aren't laughing at the fart jokes, just his craziness.

    A fart joke might be funny to be Betas if it evoked some Se happening or environment.
    How would a fart joke evoke some Se happening or environment? That said, the person I know who enjoys fart jokes the most is SLE. But that's probably precisely because it was/is culturally transgressive in the environment he/we grew up in. Anyway, if you don't think fart jokes are funny, I'm not saying you have to. It was sort of a joke anyway. But I suppose you can see how it would evoke infantile or puerile humor, something with which alpha quadra can be associated quite fairly, imo. It doesn't mean you have to be childish anymore than me being an IEI means that I have to sit in bed all day and only emerge from the darkness of my room + computer to briefly feed (on an irregular and impulsive schedule), listlessly drifting through life. But if we're finding generalized associations to the quadras and their "mood," I don't think it's so bad. Then again, all the alphas seem to be marching to the war against the fart jokes line, so if you wish I will gladly add a strikethrough to that post and the line (EDIT: apparently not) next to the bit about fart jokes.

    @mune. Yes, that is the correct reaction to such. To be fair, a bit of my anti-delta bias was clearly showing through there. Delta isn't quite that stupid or boring. You could also see Delta quadra as a somewhat sappy (but altogether better-made) movie wherein an ethical cause is championed by plain sense hard work, and a goal is achieved, causing a lasting bond between the individuals who achieved that monumental sociopolitical objective.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    False. First of all, it's incredibly culturally dependent, like I said.
    Point taken. I was speaking about this culture, and whatever variation thereof I was raised in. And since "sophistication" is highly subjective, other cultures are sure to have different interpretations of what it means, or not value it at all in their humor. Cultures also enforce different rules about good breeding, which complicates things.

    However
    I think with valued Si/Ne, Alphas will appreciate craftsmanship over non-craftsmanship and a clever twist over a non-clever twist. One line fart jokes are too simple, cliched and rarely have a clever punchline. OTOH my LSI dad will laugh at jokes that support his political views, even if the punchline is linear and obvious.

    IME Within Alpha groups there is very much a dichotomy of either producing a worthy product, or not trying to present it at all. Usually this is enforced by Alpha SFs.

    Heidi Klum (ESE) is very stern and unapologetic with bad fashion designers on project runway.

    The most understanding type in that situation is usually an ILE, just because we don't care either way, can't evaluate Si, and probably weren't paying attention. An ILE can even annoy other Alphas with their humour. The SEI is the most critical and negative type I have ever met, even when they don't show it.

    Crude humor if done properly is very funny. Chuck Pahlaniuk is an Alpha Extrovert and wrote an incredibly grotesque short story: Guts | The Cult that's funny because it's just so extreme.

    An Alpha can use fart jokes if he's just making small talk. But he probably wouldn't see the conversation as very important. Some Alphas do that a lot and some don't.

    Second, have you never seen Dumb and Dumber?
    All the crude humor was funny because it was part of the larger context that they were clueless, unsophisticated, yet lovable morons.

    How would a fart joke evoke some Se happening or environment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    But I suppose you can see how it would evoke infantile or puerile humor, something with which alpha quadra can be associated quite fairly, imo.
    Wrong sort of childishness, imo. We Alphas are creatures of wit and finesse.

    But not really.

    weebl is very, very Alpha. It's all about music and total, utter, unmitigated randomness. I don't think anyone could describe it as "witty" or "sophisticated", and "childish" might even fit the bill, but I think it's a fine example of an Alpha sense of humour.

    And bingo, I found my Alpha movie genre: the musical.



    I also want Bruce Campbell to be Alpha, so I can crown him Glorious Head Crusader of the Fifth Dimension, not that he really has anything to do with anything in this thread or post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    Wrong sort of childishness, imo. We Alphas are creatures of wit and finesse.
    I agree, I think there are various types of childishness. The alphas are more likely refering to the archtypal elements of childhood rather than directly to childish or immature behavior.

    Children are imaginative
    inventive/curious
    explorative/inquistitive
    fun/energic
    innocent
    etc.....

    An alpha may go around causing trouble, they aren't innocent in the notion of baby jesus or something divine... they are innocent in the notion of if they cause chaos and trouble its out of their curosity to play around with the world and mess with people and things, rather than any serious issue.

    Their wit comes from the combination of fun and their curosity/inventiveness. They can make witty replies because they are child-like in the sense of finding an inventive way of responding to something, rather than a typical way, and their fun nature makes them more likely to do so rather than give a drab answer.

    Anways... I think the childlike elements, don't mean alphas are big babies, they just have some archtypal elements that affect their behavior. Curosity/Adventure/Wit/Sharp/Finesse/Explorative etc.

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