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    IDK if this is part of being aristocratic, or some sort of Te thing, or just something you realize the further you go into academia, or what. Or just some concern with truth... but.....

    I was just thinking about how difficult it is to really discuss anything substantial with someone who you don't know very well. You don't know any of their underlying motivations for what they say, how much they've researched anything, or their moral disposition when it comes to matters. Or their ability to actually honestly comprehend how much they know about something.

    I find myself drawn to deltas about stuff like this, honestly. Because some of the most thorough and imo complete 'learners' of things are delta or at least valuing. That's how it seems, but idk. I've become increasingly wary about things like this.

    And I don't mind putting effort into things, into building a relationship and deeper understandings. But I definitely feel like there are some components to doing this that are out of my hands - like maturity, and 'intellectual discipline', if you will. I really kind of wish I had a 'delta academic' in various fields that I could just talk to and become friends with and share high quality information with over time ... : /


    ))) I already seem to be forming a cartel of such sorts ((((

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    Must be a thing.

    Ti types aren't likely to trust anybody but themselves when it comes to forming a conclusion about a piece of information. Even if someone else explains it, there is a need to personally understand enough to come to a conclusion; even if that person is a close colleague or a trusted source.** It follows that there is an implicit assumption of being able to categorize and classify information as right or wrong regardless of the source it came from, which ultimately implies that Ti types value freer interactions with others (Fe) that don't unnecessarily constrain information flow into restrictive channels (Fi).

    An example is ESFj - INTj duality. ESFjs like someone to explain the system to them, not just tell them the answer. The INTj is perfectly suited for something like that.


    [ETA: A good movie about Fe - Fi quadra differences when it comes to information is Good Morning, Vietnam. Te/Fi is portrayed in light of its capacity for censorship. The movie basically advocates freedom of speech and is heavily Ti/Fe centric, the protagonist is ESFj and the main antagonist is ESTj. There is a sub-theme with a second antagonist who is INFp, so there is also a minor Ne - Ni conflict going on.]


    **There are exceptions, of course. Sometimes you have no hope of ever understanding a system. Picture someone who sucks at physics trying to program a relativistic calculator. He'd have to use Te, say, to compensate for the Ti parts he couldn't understand. And the experience wouldn't be satisfying because he didn't use a valued function.
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    I don't think this is type related, it's maturity/academically related. Either by how many experiences you have with other people when you realized their perception takes and values information differently, or how often you noticed people propose ideas that seem like you'd have to rearrange the way you think to understand it, you should question not their reliability so much, but just how it is different from your's and what you can understand from this difference. So whenever you ask for someone's opinion or hear something they say, you can have a better outlook on why they said or think the way they do.

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    I trust my dual to help me understand things that are beyond and outside the scope of morally correct behavior of other individuals...which is to say to look at things from an objective reality view point, rather then subjective viewpoint, which is what I do naturally. Because my heart goes first, I tend to be very trusting of people's intentions and I don't mind getting myself into dangerous situations, where others would not follow first. I believe that my dual knows exactly how to put up walls between people who are excessively and thoughtlessly rude and so I value this about them and I often heed their advise.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    I trust my dual to help me understand things that are beyond and outside the scope of morally correct behavior of other individuals...which is to say to look at things from an objective reality view point, rather then subjective viewpoint, which is what I do naturally.
    (Yeah.... )

    Because my heart goes first, I tend to be very trusting of people's intentions and I don't mind getting myself into dangerous situations, where others would not follow first. I believe that my dual knows exactly how to put up walls between people who are excessively and thoughtlessly rude and so I value this about them and I often heed their advise.
    Put up walls, or, otherwise neutralize, incapacitate, destroy, push away, ... basically, we know how to effectively cut relationships, you could say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    (Yeah.... )


    Put up walls, or, otherwise neutralize, incapacitate, destroy, push away, ... basically, we know how to effectively cut relationships, you could say.
    YES, do you have to say it like that?
    Between you and I, I know what you are capable of doing to others; I was hopeing the rest of you wouldn't do the same to me. Thank goodness I have a dual who can remind me to not pay attention to those times.
    Last edited by Beautiful sky; 03-20-2010 at 06:49 PM.
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    Dual type (as per tcaudilllg)
    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
    Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx


    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
    http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html

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