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    How do you guys conceive of self-improvement?

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    I find myself highly based in self-improvement, but only in the fields that I really care about (self-introspection, video games, health, Japanese, etc). How exactly do you mean by 'conceive' though?

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    By "conceive" I mean what does the term mean to you? I thought of asking something on a more specific level, like "How do you implement self-improvement" or some other synonymous question, but I decided that it would be best to step back to a more general level to first see what self-improvement even means to people of different quadras. Heck, I think most people in this world don't care much at all about self-improvement, so if I asked the more specific level question first, people would probably either not respond or say something like "I don't", "it doesn't matter", "what are you talking about?", or some other synonymous response. Myself, self-improvement is very important. It's what my life's all about. It means being the best possible version of myself that I can be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctures View Post
    I find myself highly based in self-improvement, but only in the fields that I really care about (self-introspection, video games, health, Japanese, etc). How exactly do you mean by 'conceive' though?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Okay, see this is the reason why I wonder how many EII's there are really on this forum; I am an EII and I first seek to understand what you're question, then I answer it.

    For example:

    What do you mean by conceive?
    Is it to define what self-improvement means to me?
    Or is it to question how self-improvement is manifest in me?
    Or is it how I seek to improve my self?

    Conceive is not the right verb; it's as bad as asking..

    How do you ride self-improvement?
    Or
    How do you shoot self-improvement?

    Are you asking...

    What is my personal strategy for self-improvement?
    How would I improve my self?
    If I had choices to improve upon myself of five, what would I choose?

    What are you asking?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    What do you mean by conceive?
    Is it to define what self-improvement means to me?
    Or is it to question how self-improvement is manifest in me?
    Or is it how I seek to improve my self?

    Conceive is not the right verb; it's as bad as asking..

    How do you ride self-improvement?
    Or
    How do you shoot self-improvement?

    Are you asking...

    What is my personal strategy for self-improvement?
    How would I improve my self?
    If I had choices to improve upon myself of five, what would I choose?

    What are you asking?
    Those are good questions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    Okay, see this is the reason why I wonder how many EII's there are really on this forum; I am an EII and I first seek to understand what you're question, then I answer it.

    For example:

    What do you mean by conceive?
    Is it to define what self-improvement means to me?
    Or is it to question how self-improvement is manifest in me?
    Or is it how I seek to improve my self?

    Conceive is not the right verb; it's as bad as asking..

    How do you ride self-improvement?
    Or
    How do you shoot self-improvement?

    Are you asking...

    What is my personal strategy for self-improvement?
    How would I improve my self?
    If I had choices to improve upon myself of five, what would I choose?

    What are you asking?
    Why do we need to go into such detail?.. He's just asking what it means to you.

    Well, to me, self-improvement is learning about life and knowing how to deal with it. My goal is to become stronger in both mind and body in time to overcome difficulties, so that I can live my idealized life. My priority is the mind though, since it's what leads to action. Self-improvement is reaching closer to this surreal body and mind experience, where I'm able to understand everything, or at least to a level that doesn't affect my emotional state.

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    Okay, so self-improvement means taking care of my health.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    Why do we need to go into such detail?.. He's just asking what it means to you.

    Well, to me, self-improvement is learning about life and knowing how to deal with it. My goal is to become stronger in both mind and body in time to overcome difficulties, so that I can live my idealized life. My priority is the mind though, since it's what leads to action. Self-improvement is reaching closer to this surreal body and mind experience, where I'm able to understand everything, or at least to a level that doesn't affect my emotional state.
    EII is all about detail and depth of perception; I don't get you, how are you EII?
    I must know what is asked of me in order to answer because I wouldn't want to be untruthful; so, how can I if I don't know what's being asked of me?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal. In the past, I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal, where as I've gotten older I've realized that the real and ideal have to meet in the middle. I also tend to be very independent in my implementation of principles and in my life in general. My thinking side is dominent and takes my values as determined by my inferior feeling said and seeks to apply them. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming ffrom"...which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasputin View Post
    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal. In the past, I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal, where as I've gotten older I've realized that the real and ideal have to meet in the middle. I also tend to be very independent in my implementation of principles and in my life in general. My thinking side is dominent and takes my values as determined by my inferior feeling said and seeks to apply them. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming ffrom"...which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasputin View Post
    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal. In the past, I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal, where as I've gotten older I've realized that the real and ideal have to meet in the middle. I also tend to be very independent in my implementation of principles and in my life in general. My thinking side is dominent and takes my values as determined by my inferior feeling said and seeks to apply them. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming ffrom"...which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification.
    I love this quote
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    EII is all about detail and depth of perception; I don't get you, how are you EII?
    I must know what is asked of me in order to answer because I wouldn't want to be untruthful; so, how can I if I don't know what's being asked of me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobo View Post
    You always doubt my type... Why can't you accept that I'm INFj? You always doubt my type whenever I say something you don't agree with.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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