I have noticed this too. They also rock side to side, moving forward, while keeping their gaze steady.Originally Posted by Mea
Hmm, that's an interesting observation. Now that you mentioned it, I think that's true...@Mea: ESTjs have a sort of lustre or glaze in their eyes that becomes more apparent when they are talking to someone. I haven't... noticed that in ISTps yet. Oh well.
If that's the case, I haven't met an ESTj IRL yet.I have noticed this too. They also rock side to side, moving forward, while keeping their gaze steady.Hmm, that's an interesting observation. Now that you mentioned it, I think that's true...@Mea: ESTjs have a sort of lustre or glaze in their eyes that becomes more apparent when they are talking to someone. I haven't... noticed that in ISTps yet. Oh well
ISTj.
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ESTj logical subtype or perhaps ENTj.
Arguments --
You usually wouldn't describe an IP, above all an ISTp, as having "jerky movements".
As meatburger also noted, he seems to feel the need to take the initiative in establishing contact, but is at the same time a bit awkward even if at the same time "not at all shy". This sounds more like an EJ with Fe role than IXTp with Fe PoLR.
However, this:
If you mean that he's afraid of showing obvious interest in a woman, that would speak a bit against Si EJ and for ESTj logical subtype or ENTj.
Something else --
For what is worth, that is an extremely accurate description of myself, except with regard to excelling at sports and spirituality (which again tips it towards ESTj).
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Yes, that's what I mean
I doubt it. His mom is one and they are really different from each other.
That's not necessarily due to religion, certainly it isn't in my case.
I'm quite aware of that. But, I will observe him again to look out for more signs.That's not necessarily due to religion, certainly it isn't in my case.
My friend since fourth grade is a definite ESTJ. There were times I wanted to kick the shit out of him. He could be so loud, bossy, and stubborn. He was also a real creep when you owed him money, no matter how small the amount. One time he lent me $1 for food when we were kids and he hounded me for it for like a year. But at the same time, he is a really loyal friend who won't turn his back on you or anything like that. Whenever we went on road trips up and down the coast he was the one who always made sure that we had enough supplies and stuff like that. He the kind of friend you have for life. So I guess you have to just take the bad with the good.
ISTp or ESTj?
What are some fine lines between these two delta types?
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
ESTj's are sheep.
not exactly. LSEs are only sheep at every fourth increment of the j-constant over time. at other times they're ducks.
SLIs are pencil sharpeners.
I think stereotypical temperament differences show themselves in this pair more than most, for sure. LSEs are usually busy bodies who are always perfecting something or starting some new project; SLIs tend to be layabouts, or at least have a noticeable easy-goingness to them. Now obviously subtypes tend to blur this line a bit, but IMO the differences are usually still pretty obvious. Definitely moreso than in, say, LIE/ILI.
aside: [spoil:e6576f1e6a]We have! I know your always in a rush! I have been good. How have you been? I see you have been appointed student senator. Congratulations!!LSEs are usually busy bodies who are always perfecting something or starting some new project[/spoil:e6576f1e6a]
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I cant even work a pencil, let alone sharpen one.
[spoil:6ab9281e50]Why do you feel the need to "prove" this to me? My opinion won't be changed in any way by one irrelevant coincidince.[/spoil:6ab9281e50]aside: [spoil:6ab9281e50]We have! I know your always in a rush! I have been good. How have you been? I see you have been appointed student senator. Congratulations!!LSEs are usually busy bodies who are always perfecting something or starting some new project
[spoil:7966cc13ed]it smells like sex in here[/spoil:7966cc13ed][spoil:7966cc13ed]Why do you feel the need to "prove" this to me? My opinion won't be changed in any way by one irrelevant coincidince.[/spoil:7966cc13ed]aside: [spoil:7966cc13ed]We have! I know your always in a rush! I have been good. How have you been? I see you have been appointed student senator. Congratulations!!LSEs are usually busy bodies who are always perfecting something or starting some new project
It's not a coincidence, it's what a girl who knows me at college said about me.
And you said "I will never see you as LSE", so bite the bullet that comes along with your claim.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
ISTps own hammocks, ESTjs get daily planners for Christmas, but never use them.
[spoil:10e79fb2e9]It smells like you mum in here. Oh wait, it is. (Running joke.)[/spoil:10e79fb2e9][spoil:10e79fb2e9]it smells like sex in here[/spoil:10e79fb2e9][spoil:10e79fb2e9]Why do you feel the need to "prove" this to me? My opinion won't be changed in any way by one irrelevant coincidince.[/spoil:10e79fb2e9]aside: [spoil:10e79fb2e9]We have! I know your always in a rush! I have been good. How have you been? I see you have been appointed student senator. Congratulations!!LSEs are usually busy bodies who are always perfecting something or starting some new project
I'm surprised. I would've thought LSEs would use that kind of thing. That reminds me of me. I get that kind of thing, but I never use it.
[spoil:c2e7c23ba6]it smells like teen spirit[/spoil:c2e7c23ba6][spoil:c2e7c23ba6]it smells like sex in here[/spoil:c2e7c23ba6][spoil:c2e7c23ba6]Why do you feel the need to "prove" this to me? My opinion won't be changed in any way by one irrelevant coincidince.[/spoil:c2e7c23ba6]aside: [spoil:c2e7c23ba6]We have! I know your always in a rush! I have been good. How have you been? I see you have been appointed student senator. Congratulations!!LSEs are usually busy bodies who are always perfecting something or starting some new project
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Hm, I use day planners, out of necessity. And yes I do get them for presents
If I didn't have a planner or some form of organization there would be no way to do all that I do.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
if I come NEAR a day planner I instantly rip it up. They are like the most worthless pieces of equipment I could ever own.
A hammock, however, i'd use everyday. I have 2But I live in an apartment, so I can drill a hole in the wall for a spike to hang it with, and our tress here are too far apart.
It IS a coincidence that someone happened to say something about you that coincides with something I said about LSEs. At least, to me it is, because I don't see much LSE about you at all. I grew up with an LSE, and you have absolutely nothing in common with her besides the fact that you just make shit up sometimes. There is no bullet, you little twerp, because nothing I've seen says to me that LSE is even a reasonable guess at your type.It's not a coincidence, it's what a girl who knows me at college said about me.
And you said "I will never see you as LSE", so bite the bullet that comes along with your claim.
But, for a certainty, back then,
We loved so many, yet hated so much,
We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...
Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
Whilst our laughter echoed,
Under cerulean skies...
You just called me a "little twerp"
Gilly, you trying to act "mature" doesn't work, mate.
If it bothers you that I persist on being LSE despite your lack of alternatives, so be it.
If you really want to make a claim for my type, stop bitching around and do it, otherwise you're just appeasing yourself, somehow. I don't even understand what benefit you are deriving from acting this way, or why you have such a negative disposition about this matter.
You almost make it seem like you've been wounded or attacked.
I am curious as to the reason for your disposition
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
Differences between LSE-ESTj and SLI-ISTp
I've been in a very good and fulfilling relationship for almost half a year and I still cannot decide what my boyfriend's type is. I believe he might be LSE Si subtype or SLI Te subtype if that makes any sense. Can you tell me how to differentiate between these two types? I know a few LSE Te and he's quite different, but the same applies to SLI i know.
if it has been a good and fulfilling relationship for almost half a year ,what makes you want to pinpoint his exact type? do you want to manipulate him properly like the bitch he is? yeah we will help you with that.hopefully,you don't have oh-so-noble,innocent and boring delta NF reasons .duuuuuh!
so,tell us what has your Ne picked on this person that points towards his polr and DS (i hope you can tell how each one demonstrates ,since I don't.just yet.)Try not to block your Ne observations with Fi,so that they can be delivered as objectively as possible.
Making a thread about him in "whats my type" should work better than asking questions about a man we dont even know to begin with.
which of these pictures does he most resemble?
http://gallery.socionix.com/d/55052-13/male+Si-ESTj.jpg
http://gallery.socionix.com/d/55636-15/male+Te-ISTp.jpg
I quess he's probably ESTj. He appreciates Fi, which is very flattering to me
His polr...it might be Ni as he loves planning and he cannot estimate time well. But hi very emotionally inexpressive as well, sometimes Ithink it's a big drawback in this relationship. He's warm but he doesn'y pay me compliments etc,
He's quite competitive, very sporty and he's definitely an achiever. He loves fulfilling his goals. On the other hand, he's not that rigid when it comes to timetables. He changes his mind as to what time we leave very often.
He always enjoyed skipping classes at school.
I guess the easiest thing to decide between the two is to determine whether he's introtim or extratim.
I quess he's probably ESTj. He appreciates Fi, which is very flattering to me
His polr...it might be Ni as he loves planning and he cannot estimate time well. But hi very emotionally inexpressive as well, sometimes Ithink it's a big drawback in this relationship. He's warm but he doesn'y pay me compliments etc,
He's quite competitive, very sporty and he's definitely an achiever. He loves fulfilling his goals. On the other hand, he's not that rigid when it comes to timetables. He changes his mind as to what time we leave very often.
He always enjoyed skipping classes at school.
But i guess i also sort of agree with timewu (not so harshly though). If you are already together and things are going well, I recommend just being comfortable with knowing he's a delta ST (which is obvious from the way he treats you so you dont even really need to know he's delta ST at this point). SLI vs LSE doesn't really matter at this point imo. I think the determination is more crucial when one is trying to initiate a relationship, to sort of gauge how much initiating from your end he would be comfortable with for example, but since that's already accomplished, the point is moot.
Last edited by Suz; 12-28-2011 at 01:55 PM.
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
LSE are constently engaged with objects, they are always doing things, whether watching, reading, cooking, talking, etc; they don't take reflection time like SLI do. SLI might listen to music and fantasize, hang around the house and do karate moves; an LSE will listen to music and write.
Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
You can try matching him by temperament. ISTp would display propensities of IP temperament and ESTj of EJ.
^^This post^^
Any answer to a "what's the difference between" thread could easily be to shoot off the dichotomies that the types are opposite on. Drawing out a list of secondary personality characteristics only complicates the matter. So in the case of LSE vs SLI, that would be E/I, j/p, pretty much every Reinin dichotomy, and cognitive style.
Another way of differentiating is by means of the mobilizing function. For that to work, it is important that your BF indeed utilizes his mobilizing function a lot, if he doesn't, this isn't a good method.
Your starting point could be the Pathetic Hidden Agenda article written by Expat:
LSE: (Ne)behavior aiming at showing how original and creative you can be, but making too much out of obvious and trivial ideas.
SLI: (Fi) unshakeable and stubborn unwillingness to compromise on personal behavior and principles against all opposition in a social situation
To put it diffently: SLIs are more prone to make an issue out of their own ideas of what's appropriate behavior or not, whereas LSEs are much more comfortable toeing the line. LSEs will at times fish for recognition of their creative or inventive capabilities (in the Ne sense), that they actually don't have, whereas SLI are more confortable with the idea that they are lacking in such respect (if they are aware of it at all).
ETA: it might actually be that these behaviors do not emerge in conditions of dualization. So you might not see it until your BF interacts with third parties.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Thank you for all your replies. It helped me a lot to determine my boyfriend's type. Of course his type doesn't make any difference to me
To Martisa: A few months ago you promised to type me
All of the things you guys wrote were really interesting. I quess there are some fields of socionics I need to learn, which is great news for me. BTW I wish you all Happy, Happy,Happy New Year !
How do we VI?
he seems very prtoective of you, and you seem to enjoy that.
you dont have to think of reasons why an IEE-LSE relationship would work well. Activity is a GREAT relationship, much easier to start than duality, and a very attractive and nice dynamic. I know that when i'm with an LSE (even platonically) we find each other so interesting that we talk and talk and talk. I am very fond of them and there are some LSEs i would most certainly consider dating. Sometimes i wonder whether i should bother with duality at all, as my activity partners are so awesome! My point is that duality isn't the ONLY successful intertype for relationships. In fact, duality IME so far has been somewhat unattainable.Thank you for all your replies. It helped me a lot to determine my boyfriend's type. Of course his type doesn't make any difference to me
To Martisa: A few months ago you promised to type me
All of the things you guys wrote were really interesting. I quess there are some fields of socionics I need to learn, which is great news for me. BTW I wish you all Happy, Happy,Happy New Year !
Enneagram: 9w1 6w5 2w3 so/sx
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