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    type her.

    if she posts ignore it
    <Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not

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    Ni-INFp

    Ti HA/Te PoLR is pretty apparent, haven't seen any evidence of Si/Ne valuing as of yet. Ni sub just from VI I guess.

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    I just see INFj..

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    I just see INFj..
    How's that? I haven't gotten any Fi/Te from her at all...

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    Self-typing is always the best choice.

    you couldn't tell one tree from another.
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    The Sleeping Beauty type. Without a doubt.
    “I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Self-typing is always the best choice.
    Normally I'd be inclined to agree, but in Maritsa's case if she types herself with her own method, then I doubt it has much credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Self-typing is always the best choice.
    This is too idealistic. You first have to assume you really take yourself seriously by saying this, which in relation would mean that you actually take Socionics seriously too. What, I just ask, do you think you're going to get out of trusting everyone with themselves?

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    I say IEI.

    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    I just see INFj..
    You just don't want associated with her.

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    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    I say IEI.



    You just don't want associated with her.
    Wrong. That's not it at all. Maybe you're projecting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arctures View Post
    How's that? I haven't gotten any Fi/Te from her at all...
    And what would it take for you to "get" Fi and Te from her? I haven't gotten any Fe and Ti from her at all, so there's that. Not only is she completely unconcerned with formal logic (or when other people make points about her lack of it - Not at all consistent with Ti HA, which will engage such discussions), but she doesn't respond to the antics I pull on her, which are very much Fe (Infact she ignores them. That makes sense. INFjs are Fe ignoring). Not at all typical for an INFp, and nothing like the rest of the INFps on this forum. She's also a moralist, and she shies away from conflict.
    Last edited by crazedrat; 03-15-2010 at 06:47 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    You just don't want associated with her.
    I wouldn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    Not only is she completely unconcerned with formal logic (or when other people make points about her lack of it - Not at all consistent with Ti HA, which will engage such discussions),
    I feel like her own sense of internal logic takes priority over the logic that other people thrust upon her. Ti doesn't stipulate that the conclusions a Ti valuer creates have to be objectively accurate from the perspectives of all other people. Plus she emphasizes her desire for structure and consistency a lot, which seems pretty Ti valuing to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    but she doesn't respond to the antics I pull on her, which are very much Fe (Infact she ignores them. That makes sense. INFjs are Fe ignoring).
    Well I get the impression that she ignores most of the things that people say anyways. Besides, I don't think the 7th function is 'ignoring' in the literal sense of the word: I see it more as an "I could do that, but why would I bother?" sort of function, meaning that the person can and does acknowledge it but sees no point in taking part in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    Not at all typical for an INFp, and nothing like the rest of the INFps on this forum. She's also a moralist, and she shies away from conflict.
    What constitutes being a moralist, at least from her perspective?
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    I don't see a reason to doubt that she is INFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thePirate View Post
    if she posts ignore it
    Ahem...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritella View Post
    Over here, we'll put up with (almost) all of your crap. You just have to use the secret phrase: "I don't value it. It's related to <insert random element here>, which is not in my quadra."
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquagraph View Post
    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Ahem...
    Go away for now, unless you have something useful to share, which you don't.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    At the present I think IEI is most likely.
    While still considering that English is (from what I understand) not her dominant language, her consistent use of terminology seems to indicate a distaste towards both Te and Ne. For example, she speaks in definitive terms "You are ___ type" "This isn't correct/you're lying" etc, in other words, she seems to be drawn to a more concrete form of thinking, which is more Ti+Se

    Think of how this would work against a Delta ST who needs alternatives, ideas, possibilities. Uses like "possibly/perhaps/likely" etc, not "is-ism" as in "This IS this and that IS that". I would imagine Te+Si types would see the latter as imposing and lacking in consideration of factual evaluation

    And fwiw, I'm not trying to kick Maritsa out of "my quadra" or attempt to use her as a primary example of Ni+Fe (as I think many of the Ni+Fe's here, and irl, are far more intellectually competent than myself). I really am trying to be objective here

    btw I could probably be more precise in my reasoning but I'm not feeling well atm and hope that whatever info I gave will be beneficial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    At the present I think IEI is most likely.
    While still considering that English is (from what I understand) not her dominant language, her consistent use of terminology seems to indicate a distaste towards both Te and Ne. For example, she speaks in definitive terms "You are ___ type" "This isn't correct/you're lying" etc, in other words, she seems to be drawn to a more concrete form of thinking, which is more Ti+Se

    Think of how this would work against a Delta ST who needs alternatives, ideas, possibilities. Uses like "possibly/perhaps/likely" etc, not "is-ism" as in "This IS this and that IS that". I would imagine Te+Si types would see the latter as imposing and lacking in consideration of factual evaluation

    And fwiw, I'm not trying to kick Maritsa out of "my quadra" or attempt to use her as a primary example of Ni+Fe (as I think many of the Ni+Fe's here, and irl, are far more intellectually competent than myself). I really am trying to be objective here

    btw I could probably be more precise in my reasoning but I'm not feeling well atm and hope that whatever info I gave will be beneficial
    You're not EII either,
    This shows me how very little you know about the inner workings of the human mind. EII examins the probability and possibility of situations in their own mind and only produces a short statement of found or concluded results. We also value short and resolute statements from others as well, we don't see a need to overdramatize situations or conjure long and excessive narrations on topics, unless we are speaking to people on a discussion, in person basis...in a forum, that is not what I like to do.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    1.) Her typing method is very obviously - algorithmic logic to the core, very weak algorithmic logic though

    2.) She definitely looks like an Fi-INFj I know.

    3.) She obviously doesn't behave like she would behave in real life. Neither do I...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDo View Post
    1.) Her typing method is very obviously - algorithmic logic to the core, very weak algorithmic logic though
    It could equally be said that her typing is based on 6th function . She clings to weak generalisations to explain everything (to "understand") rather than assess what works in the particular situation (dynamic, and )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyclops View Post
    It could equally be said that her typing is based on 6th function . She clings to weak generalisations to explain everything (to "understand") rather than assess what works in the particular situation (dynamic, and )
    You really are very bad at typing people.

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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa33 View Post
    You're not EII either,
    This shows me how very little you know about the inner workings of the human mind. EII examins the probability and possibility of situations in their own mind and only produces a short statement of found or concluded results. We also value short and resolute statements from others as well, we don't see a need to overdramatize situations or conjure long and excessive narrations on topics, unless we are speaking to people on a discussion, in person basis...in a forum, that is not what I like to do.
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    Maritsa, why does your name always make me hungry for salsa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divided View Post
    Maritsa, why does your name always make me hungry for salsa?
    I love to make salsa; I can make over 20 kinds.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    At the present I think IEI is most likely.
    ... which is more Ti+Se
    aha, people speak from their subcounscious nowadays. The world changes more rapidly then I can keep up with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    I haven't read this whole thread, but has anyone considered ESI? I think it nicely explains some things -- her stubbornness (Se), her unwillingness to consider alternative possibilities (PoLR Ne), but also her (rather aggressive) insistence that she is a nice person who cares about people (Fi).

    I dunno, that's just the impression I get.
    If we take this description at face value, then Fi dominant is a pretty good (but not conclusive) suggestion. A lot of what she wrote could apply to many ethical types, but I thought this was interesting:

    At work, I love to delegate tasks and see myself more as a manager then a worker even though I am very supportive as a right hand kind of person as well. I will check up on the feelings of all of the people I manage, and make sure that their inner temperature is comfortable for them to handle the psychological demands of the day.
    Her phrasing is a bit ambiguous, but the above could imply that she tries to get rid of redundant emotions by suppressing what she feels are unnecessary or excessive ones, desiring to impose emotional consistency in the form of calmness on others, essentially valuing creating optimum conditions for work. That's Fi/Te valuing.

    An Fe ego would value creating pleasant conditions for work/play/whatever by removing emotional restrictions that hamper their range of emotional expression. As part of their job, an IxFp could easily (8th function Fi) passivate others and direct them to be calm, but they'd likely see it more as a chore than a privilege.

    I don't get upset easily and only cry when people accuse me of being dishonest because I am never dishonest. I am highly committed to the causes I stand for and I will "fight" to the end of time if that's what's required to get the job done.
    The Gamma SFs I've known tend to shrug off almost any insult you throw at them, but one thing that affects them (and which could force an unconscious emotional outburst from the Id) is if you accuse them of being a liar, having no integrity, or of being a bad person. That's something they take quite seriously.

    And I agree that her stubbornness and absolute certainty is more likely Ne PoLR rather than Ne ignoring.


    Btw, does she remind anyone else of Olga, an ESI who sometimes posts her highly unorthodox views on socionics here. Olga is much less zealous about spreading her ideas though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    Btw, does she remind anyone else of Olga, an ESI who sometimes posts her highly unorthodox views on socionics here. Olga is much less zealous about spreading her ideas though.
    Yes, I immediately noticed the similarity. However I wasn't sure if it was related to their relatively similar linguistic background (which results in analogous slightly broken english), or could be traced back to identical socionics type. In some ways, these values are slightly more compatible with ESI rather than EII:

    Success is more important then money. Success is about attention, admiration, (not for me, but for my dual fame and power). Where money is for freedom to do what you want to do whenever you want to do them and to purchase luxuries.
    Love is more important then sex; although I love both.
    Blueberry muffins on a Saturday morning.
    Vanilla or chocolate chip or mint chip ice cream.
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    I have a very well developed guilt.
    I don't believe in living life quietly; if you don't make noise then you can't get things done.
    I correct and improve myself, it's evolving and that's an every day thing for me, to reflect, learn, examine, question and answer.
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    Oh the old close but mistyped PoLR trick. You were close, but your PoLR was mistyped. Try retyping your PoLR. And your creative. That one next. Yes. That's it. Now you're talking. Mmm. I smell the barbecue beef.

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    That -PoLR "can't consider alternatives" is an old stereotype, and historically the most common weapon in battletyping. There could be some truth behind it, but I think in order to use it you'd have to show that the alternative in question is an alternative ( isn't the only function with alternatives), and that the alternative was never considered (LIIs will sometimes reject alternatives - even alternatives - out of hand if they feel that they have already considered the idea; EIIs will probably do the same thing, but with a different standard for what constitutes "considering" it).

    In other words, I've just put such restrictions on the old weapon that it can only be used in self-typing.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Brilliand View Post
    That -PoLR "can't consider alternatives" is an old stereotype, and historically the most common weapon in battletyping. There could be some truth behind it, but I think in order to use it you'd have to show that the alternative in question is an alternative ( isn't the only function with alternatives), and that the alternative was never considered (LIIs will sometimes reject alternatives - even alternatives - out of hand if they feel that they have already considered the idea; EIIs will probably do the same thing, but with a different standard for what constitutes "considering" it).

    In other words, I've just put such restrictions on the old weapon that it can only be used in self-typing.
    This is a very good point. It's tempting to dismiss elements you don't value as being less effective than they really are. However, I do think that the alternatives Maritsa rejects are specifically Ne in nature. Her typing method focuses exclusively on external physical features (the province of Se), and she explicitly rejects out of hand arguments based on trying to discern the internal mental structure of the subject's psyche (the province of Ne).

    Furthermore (and this is much weaker evidence), in my opinion her clothing and makeup style fits better with trends I have observed among Se-valuing types rather than Si-valuing types. That wouldn't mean much by itself, and there could be other explanations for it, but at the very least it doesn't contradict ESI.
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