type her.
if she posts ignore it
type her.
if she posts ignore it
<Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" isand not
Ni-INFp
Ti HA/Te PoLR is pretty apparent, haven't seen any evidence of Si/Ne valuing as of yet. Ni sub just from VI I guess.
I just see INFj..
Self-typing is always the best choice.
lolyou couldn't tell one tree from another.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
The Sleeping Beauty type. Without a doubt.
“I have never tried that before, so I think I should definitely be able to do that.” --- Pippi Longstocking
Wrong. That's not it at all. Maybe you're projecting.
And what would it take for you to "get" Fi and Te from her? I haven't gotten any Fe and Ti from her at all, so there's that. Not only is she completely unconcerned with formal logic (or when other people make points about her lack of it - Not at all consistent with Ti HA, which will engage such discussions), but she doesn't respond to the antics I pull on her, which are very much Fe (Infact she ignores them. That makes sense. INFjs are Fe ignoring). Not at all typical for an INFp, and nothing like the rest of the INFps on this forum. She's also a moralist, and she shies away from conflict.
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I wouldn't.
I feel like her own sense of internal logic takes priority over the logic that other people thrust upon her. Ti doesn't stipulate that the conclusions a Ti valuer creates have to be objectively accurate from the perspectives of all other people. Plus she emphasizes her desire for structure and consistency a lot, which seems pretty Ti valuing to me.
Well I get the impression that she ignores most of the things that people say anyways. Besides, I don't think the 7th function is 'ignoring' in the literal sense of the word: I see it more as an "I could do that, but why would I bother?" sort of function, meaning that the person can and does acknowledge it but sees no point in taking part in it.
What constitutes being a moralist, at least from her perspective?
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I don't see a reason to doubt that she is INFJ.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
At the present I think IEI is most likely.
While still considering that English is (from what I understand) not her dominant language, her consistent use of terminology seems to indicate a distaste towards both Te and Ne. For example, she speaks in definitive terms "You are ___ type" "This isn't correct/you're lying" etc, in other words, she seems to be drawn to a more concrete form of thinking, which is more Ti+Se
Think of how this would work against a Delta ST who needs alternatives, ideas, possibilities. Uses like "possibly/perhaps/likely" etc, not "is-ism" as in "This IS this and that IS that". I would imagine Te+Si types would see the latter as imposing and lacking in consideration of factual evaluation
And fwiw, I'm not trying to kick Maritsa out of "my quadra" or attempt to use her as a primary example of Ni+Fe (as I think many of the Ni+Fe's here, and irl, are far more intellectually competent than myself). I really am trying to be objective here
btw I could probably be more precise in my reasoning but I'm not feeling well atm and hope that whatever info I gave will be beneficial
EII INFj
Forum status: retired
You're not EII either,
This shows me how very little you know about the inner workings of the human mind. EII examins the probability and possibility of situations in their own mind and only produces a short statement of found or concluded results. We also value short and resolute statements from others as well, we don't see a need to overdramatize situations or conjure long and excessive narrations on topics, unless we are speaking to people on a discussion, in person basis...in a forum, that is not what I like to do.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
1.) Her typing method is very obviously- algorithmic logic to the core, very weak algorithmic logic though
2.) She definitely looks like an Fi-INFj I know.
3.) She obviously doesn't behave like she would behave in real life. Neither do I...
You really are very bad at typing people.
http://socioniko.net/en/1.1.types/index. html
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Maritsa, why does your name always make me hungry for salsa?
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
If we take this description at face value, then Fi dominant is a pretty good (but not conclusive) suggestion. A lot of what she wrote could apply to many ethical types, but I thought this was interesting:
Her phrasing is a bit ambiguous, but the above could imply that she tries to get rid of redundant emotions by suppressing what she feels are unnecessary or excessive ones, desiring to impose emotional consistency in the form of calmness on others, essentially valuing creating optimum conditions for work. That's Fi/Te valuing.At work, I love to delegate tasks and see myself more as a manager then a worker even though I am very supportive as a right hand kind of person as well. I will check up on the feelings of all of the people I manage, and make sure that their inner temperature is comfortable for them to handle the psychological demands of the day.
An Fe ego would value creating pleasant conditions for work/play/whatever by removing emotional restrictions that hamper their range of emotional expression. As part of their job, an IxFp could easily (8th function Fi) passivate others and direct them to be calm, but they'd likely see it more as a chore than a privilege.
The Gamma SFs I've known tend to shrug off almost any insult you throw at them, but one thing that affects them (and which could force an unconscious emotional outburst from the Id) is if you accuse them of being a liar, having no integrity, or of being a bad person. That's something they take quite seriously.I don't get upset easily and only cry when people accuse me of being dishonest because I am never dishonest. I am highly committed to the causes I stand for and I will "fight" to the end of time if that's what's required to get the job done.
And I agree that her stubbornness and absolute certainty is more likely Ne PoLR rather than Ne ignoring.
Btw, does she remind anyone else of Olga, an ESI who sometimes posts her highly unorthodox views on socionics here. Olga is much less zealous about spreading her ideas though.
Yes, I immediately noticed the similarity. However I wasn't sure if it was related to their relatively similar linguistic background (which results in analogous slightly broken english), or could be traced back to identical socionics type. In some ways, these values are slightly more compatible with ESI rather than EII:
(I like the way this sentence is phrased: "I have a very well developed guilt" LOL)Success is more important then money. Success is about attention, admiration, (not for me, but for my dual fame and power). Where money is for freedom to do what you want to do whenever you want to do them and to purchase luxuries.
Love is more important then sex; although I love both.
Blueberry muffins on a Saturday morning.
Vanilla or chocolate chip or mint chip ice cream.
My sense of duty precludes me to take certain actions.
I have a very well developed guilt.
I don't believe in living life quietly; if you don't make noise then you can't get things done.
I correct and improve myself, it's evolving and that's an every day thing for me, to reflect, learn, examine, question and answer.
Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit
Oh the old close but mistyped PoLR trick. You were close, but your PoLR was mistyped. Try retyping your PoLR. And your creative. That one next. Yes. That's it. Now you're talking. Mmm. I smell the barbecue beef.
That-PoLR "can't consider alternatives" is an old stereotype, and historically the most common weapon in battletyping. There could be some truth behind it, but I think in order to use it you'd have to show that the alternative in question is an
alternative (
isn't the only function with alternatives), and that the alternative was never considered (LIIs will sometimes reject alternatives - even
alternatives - out of hand if they feel that they have already considered the idea; EIIs will probably do the same thing, but with a different standard for what constitutes "considering" it).
In other words, I've just put such restrictions on the old weapon that it can only be used in self-typing.![]()
LII-Ne
"Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and the Usenet is NOTHING like Shakespeare!"
- Blair Houghton
Johari
This is a very good point. It's tempting to dismiss elements you don't value as being less effective than they really are. However, I do think that the alternatives Maritsa rejects are specifically Ne in nature. Her typing method focuses exclusively on external physical features (the province of Se), and she explicitly rejects out of hand arguments based on trying to discern the internal mental structure of the subject's psyche (the province of Ne).
Furthermore (and this is much weaker evidence), in my opinion her clothing and makeup style fits better with trends I have observed among Se-valuing types rather than Si-valuing types. That wouldn't mean much by itself, and there could be other explanations for it, but at the very least it doesn't contradict ESI.
Quaero Veritas.