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    Default Lauryn Hill

    Famous and amazing rapper/singer/songwriter/genius, gets big with the Fugees, breaks up with Wyclef, the group breaks up, massive commercial, critical, and artistic success with The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill (one of the greatest albums of the 90s, period), goes somewhat crazy (perhaps due to the pressures of fame), becomes super-reclusive (and extremely weird), married to one of Bob Marley's kids... thoughts? Also, E-type thoughts?













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    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

    Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...

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    Hmmm I'd say Beta and maybe introvert.
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    She's the best.

    Db [or C#] major (Virgo):



    I could be wrong, yet I think she's ENFj. Based on my experience of her music and lyrics, her ethics seems dominant (is the most prominent function) as opposed to creative (secondary), and it's extraverted. Thus I believe she's ENFj (EIE). I don't really have an opinion on subtype though. At least not yet. Then again I could be completely wrong about her being ENFj. She's definitely an ethical type in my opinion. And my ex-boyfriend thought she's an ESFj, yet ultimately she strikes me as more Beta -- therefore, ENFj.


    I think this song is a perfect example of dominant ethics -- when it's Extraverted... 'ethical', 'pronounced', 'expansive', 'moral' and more 'rational', 'external', 'apparent', etc. in comparison to how an IEI might express moral problems, etc.



    If I'm right, Lauryn Hill is definitely one of the good ENFj's. Yet I think a lot of people are hesitant to type people ENFj because it has a bad reputation, yet I think ENFj has just as much variety as any other type. Sometimes I wish I was ENFj, whether or not I really am. There's a lot I can relate to from that type.
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    I think ENFj-Ni is a possibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lazybones View Post
    Yet I think a lot of people are hesitant to type people ENFj because it has a bad reputation, yet I think ENFj has just as much variety as any other type.
    I would hope. Maybe she should be an archetype.. instead of.. I dunno.. people who should not be named.

    She's great. I would have thought she was INFP or ENFP in MBTI, but it's fair to say that those types can be Beta here.

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    Another argument for her being EIE (http://www.socioniko.net/ru/type-foto/et-fil.html) --

    Robert Christgau doesn't seem to like her music too much (especially her solo stuff):

    http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_a...me=Lauryn+Hill

    'The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill [Ruffhouse, 1998]
    P.C. [Politically Correct] record of the year--songs soft, singing ordinary, rapping skilled, rhymes up and down, skits de trop, production subtle and terrific ("Lost Ones," "Superstar"). ***

    MTV Unplugged 2.0 [Columbia, 2002]
    Probably not the worst album ever released by an artist of substance--there are all those Elvis soundtracks. But in the running. Full-length double-CD of wordy strophic strolls that often last six, seven, eight minutes, accompanied solely by a solo guitar Hill can barely strum (the first finger-picked figure occurs on track 10, where it repeats dozens upon dozens of times, arghh). Unlike Hill herself, who during one of many spoken-word breaks tells the adoring multitude that her singing voice has been roughed up by a late night (but not how weak it is when she gets her eight hours), the melodies do not assert themselves. Inspirational Patter: "Every single one of these songs is about me first." Makes them realer, aight? D-'


    And this makes sense if Robert Christgau is INTp and Lauryn Hill is ENFj.

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    Here are a couple of pictures:

    http://affrodite.net/wp-content/uplo...ryn_hill_6.jpg

    http://thankgodimnatural.files.wordp...auryn-hill.jpg


    She actually reminds me a bit of Ani DiFranco. My ex really liked Lauryn Hill, yet I once made a mixed CD that had a couple of Ani DiFranco songs, and he really liked them both ("School Night" and "Swan Dive"). He especially liked "School Night."

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazybones View Post

    Robert Christgau doesn't seem to like her music too much (especially her solo stuff):

    And this makes sense if Robert Christgau is INTp and Lauryn Hill is ENFj.
    That's not a very good argument. I love The Fugees' The Score and I think she has one of the best female Hip Hop personalities and vocals as a singer.
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    If she's not Ni-INFp then Fe-ENFj.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ashton View Post
    Though I don't think it's the case than an ILI would necessarily dislike an EIE's work.
    In my experience liking or disliking music (other kinds of art too?) isn't always subject to intertype relations: one of my current favorite songs is This Is The Life by Amy MacDonald, who is definitely some kind of ISTj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    If she's not Ni-INFp then Fe-ENFj.
    Why these subtypes?
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    She looks ISFp to me. And definitely an introvert.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    Black dolphin. SEE-Fi is what I'm thinking.

    You can hear some fairly intimate interview content beginning around 6:30.





    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    I typed Lauryn Hill EIE-Fe (ENFj-INFj?). I'm probably wrong though.

    http://www.socioniko.net/ru/type-foto/et-fil.html

    If you're interested in what Christgau had to say about her, here's a link:

    http://www.robertchristgau.com/get_a...me=Lauryn+Hill


    I personally disagree with the idea that Fi always equates to moralizing as opposed to Fe. (Clearly Fi does not hold the patent on respect, honour, morals, empathy, etc. There are a lot of Fi-PoLR types that value honor, 'ethics', etc. a lot.)
    My ex-boyfriend liked Lauryn Hill a lot, and he thought she VI'd ESE, yet he self-typed LII.





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    she's incredible.
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    Spiritually, I get Ni/Se vibes from her interviews and personality. Off the stage she doesn't seem forceful, active, or demonstratively passionate in her emotional range as I'd expect for EIE; she's pretty calm and confidential offstage, saving her passion for the studio.

    I'm not sure of Introvert/Extravert, but she does seem Ethical to me. So I at least have her as NF for Beta or SF for Gamma, though the realness she exudes lean me to Gamma.
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    SEE for sure.
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    Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    She's female and has a neck. Thus SEE for sure imo.
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    Huh...I would see IEI>EIE for her. She strikes me as irrational, definitely sx primary, maybe a 6w5 sx/so?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Lauryn Hill at first glance seems XNFj.

    She dresses rather flamboyantly with all of those hats etc for an INFj though, so ENFj fits her better in terms of attire. Though this of course could just be part of a celebrity/stage persona which she has developed. She also at times wears a considerable amount of bling up on stage but maybe that is also just part of the show.

    In general her overall demeanour seems very spiritual, thoughtful and more introverted like.

    Found this article about her which I thought was interesting:

    http://www.people.com/people/archive...221692,00.html
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    Lauryn Hill: EIE-Fe (Dominant subtype) [EIE-ESE or EIE-EIE]

    My ex-boyfriend thought she VI’d ESE.





    " . . . . Now I may have faith to make mountains fall / But if I lack love then I am nothin' at all / I can give away everything I possess / But left without love then I have no happiness / I know I'm imperfect / And not without sin / But now that I'm older all childish things end . . . ."








    " . . . . I wrote these words for everyone who struggles in their youth / Who won't accept deception / Instead of what is truth / It seems we lose the game before we even start to play / Who made these rules? / We're so confused / Easily led astray . . . . After winter, must come spring . . . ."






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    <3 she is so pretty.

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    She'd had a few lyrics involving things like social strife, has some nice moves, maybe even a classy lady?



    Could be LSI?

    "The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill"

    My world it moves so fast today
    The past it seems so far away
    And life squeezes so tight that I can't breathe
    And every time I've tried to be
    What someone else thought of me
    So caught up, I wasn't able to achieve

    But deep in my heart
    The answer it was in me
    And I made up my mind
    To define my own destiny

    I look at my environment
    And wonder where the fire went
    What happened to everything we used to be
    I hear so many cry for help
    Searching outside of themselves
    Now I know that His strength is within me

    And deep in my heart
    the answer it was in me
    And I made up my mind
    to define my own destiny
    And deep in my heart
    the answer it was in me
    And I made up my mind
    to define my own destiny

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    Love her

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    I have this impression of ILI. First it was EIE but I think she's a Gamma Introvert

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    I don't have a strong argument against gamma introvert, so, maybe??

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    The only thing i have from Reinin on her is positivism. I really like her, though old school now, in case it wasn't obvious Maybe LSI why not why not?

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    She's interesting. IEI?

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    She does strike me as INFp/IEI.

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    Lauryn Hill - ESTP - Zhukov


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    She’s actually really assertive and forceful, talks about self-improvements and not getting comfortable with “success” but through it’s improvements through Fi lenses, making her relationships stronger and being a better mom, wife, sister, daughter, etc. She strongly believes in God, and talks about her relationship with God gives her strength and guidance. Her music has to resonate with her, and the message must be personal and comes from within. She’s ultra Fi-oriented. She just went a different way and retired early.



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    ESI
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    I like her. She's real and cool. My benefactor type works well I think. If not that then I can see her in my quadra but I think ESI works best for her.

    All my str8 girl rants on the forum summed up in one paragraph ((she says it better than me)) lololol:

    Don't be a hard rock when you really are a gem
    Baby girl, respect is just a minimum
    Niggas fucked up and you still defending 'em
    Now Lauryn is only human
    Don't think I haven't been through the same predicament



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    lmao I remember listening to her music some years ago and looking at her now makes me immediatly see that she is an IEI and then I looked at an interview to confirm my typing and the first words of her are "I think everything happens in time".

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO_NaKE-osU

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