the exact position shifts some, but i always get the green quadrant whenever i take this.
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the exact position shifts some, but i always get the green quadrant whenever i take this.
Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.9
I used to get about -4 or -5 on each scale before - I seem to have become more "Libertarian".
Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -7.0
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36
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Your Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97
Left -4.88
Liberatarian -4.46
Weird, a long time ago, I was much more centrist. I guess these things change over time.
I'm not sure if this is relevant to your case, but I think people don't become more conservative, they just get older and what people think is the status quo/Overton window/center moves to the left.Originally Posted by Alomoes
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I think the next relation between the political compass and quadras can be observed:
Aristocratic/Democratic Collectivist/Individualist Dichotomy = Authoritarianism/Libertarianism in the social (y) axis
For the aristocrat the individual should obey and conform to traditions, rituals, hierarchies and the existing social groups. For the democrat all individuals are equal and unique.
Merry/Serious Subjetivist/Objectivist Dichotomy = Right/Left in the economical (x) axis
Subjetivists believe that all citizens are in their right to satisfy their desires. Objectivists tend to observe a causal connection between what a person is capable of and what he or she deserves.
Judicious/Decisive = Gradual change/Revolutionary change
The Judicious type thinks that political action should take place in public space. He uses institutional mechanisms for achieving social change and participation. The Decisive type feels the power in the private sphere and on his/her mind; the status quo is even present in what he/she eats! Consequently, political action should be revolutionary or insurrectionary for bringing change to society, or, if the goal is to keep the order, should be reactive.
Therefore:
Alpha Quadra: Leftist-Libertarian
Beta Quadra: Leftist-Authoritarian
Gamma Quadra: Rightist-Libertarian
Delta Quadra: Rightist-Authoritarian
I took my inspiration for this idea from the following readings:
Stratievskaya, V. (2017, August 1). Alpha Quadra: The Complex of Closed Mouth by Stratiyevskaya. Retrieved February 1, 2020, from http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...Stratiyevskaya
Stratievskaya, V. (2017, August 1). Beta Quadra: The Complex of Subservience by Stratiyevsakata. Retrieved February 1, 2020, from http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...Stratiyevskaya
Stratievskaya, V. (2017, August 1). Gamma Quadra: The Complex of Tied Hands by Stratiyevskaya. Retrieved February 1, 2020, from http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...Stratiyevskaya
Stratievskaya, V. (2017, August 1). Delta Quadra: The Complex of Clipped Wings by Stratiyevskaya. Retrieved February 1, 2020, from http://www.wikisocion.net/en/index.p...Stratiyevskaya
Any type can support any system, but how they react to it may vary.
Take SEI.
This type is essentially phlegmatic and here a paradox is created: a feeler type that examines feelings as from outside. Add to that her mind by its very nature is constantly examining the artifice of everything he comes into contact with: tracking narrative and the construction of the artifact are like second nature to her (this is what, when in existance in a talented individual, helps create the artist stereotype of this sociotype).
Now, imagine what an individual’s reaction to an ardent speech delivered by a collectivist politician might be when the two characteristics described above coexist in that individual….Yeah.
She can still support the system in principle but will be less likely to get caught up in the silly emotions and exclamations and more likely to be critical of it as a whole, see how the hypocrisy is chipping away at its core.
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Economic Left/Right: -4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.82
“Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”
It doesn't seem socionics type related.
However I've noticed all these republicans are a sort of type of person. They are individualistic, self confident, mature.
I am not familiar with the average democrat, but the more extreme types have a common denominator. They are collectivists, have an inferiority complex, immature.
I don’t think it’s type related either but I’ve noticed the Se leads, are more in favor of Republican type of government basically for Te money making reasons and they don’t do so well with collectivist Fe values imposed on them. Augusta called SLE “the capitalist” and they are closer to SEE Gamma values. I hate Fe because it’s often used for social manipulation especially Alpha Fe because it wants to draw attention to utopian idealism + emphasize heavily on “getting along no matter what.”
Libertarians are morons, but Authoritarians are evil.
And yeah, I'm pretty liberal.
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So why is libertarian opposite from authoritarian anyway? I would imagine free markets still need authority to uphold the laws and rules of the free market or you just have anarchy. And I doubt true libertarians want anarchy. I think the political compass is messed up. They should probably replace libertarian with anarchy and replace Left and Right with something less vague.
I believe the compass is using it within its historical context though, rather than how it's popularly used today--the term "Libertarianism" has been co-opted by current libertarians to refer to their own ideology (i.e. free markets, almost no government, etc.), and means something very different than it did 50 years ago. I agree in principle for sure, though; the categories definitely deserve an update.
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So, do you know what is Libertarian supposed to mean here?
Cause I decided to look up the difference between Libertarian and Anarchy and instead found that they can even refer to the same things. But then wikipedia says Libertarian is more about some ideal of liberty, which Libertarians can disagree on and could also be seen as a Leftist idea if you consider Leftism from the US Civil War era, which is said to have been more concerned with keeping the market free by diminishing the power of banks and the federal government to control or manipulate it (more civil liberties), except that I guess Leftist is taken to mean authoritarian and collectivist now...which is potentially an opposite thing now (less civil liberties)...and I'm truly confused here. There seems to be a lot of cross-over between all of these terms, even historically. I'm probably over-thinking this. But I'd genuinely like to know what this is supposed to mean.
So I think what Libertarian is referring to here is the idea that personal autonomy should be maximised/prioritized, as opposed to sacrificed in the name of the collective. This has many manifestations across the political spectrum, whether it be neoconservative-adjacent "only the military-industrial complex matters" or individualistic, anarcho-primitivist "society doesn't exist, only individuals."
You are absolutely correct that "Libertarian" and "Anarcho-" can refer to the same concept--Anarchism is the ideology that advocates for abolition of all forms of hierarchy and unjust authority. But while Libertarianism often isn't synonymous with Anarchism, Anarchism is definitely a "libertarian" ideal (it was called Left-Libertarianism in the 20th century), so it fits under that umbrella, even if it has more in common with the goal of Communism than how Libertarianism manifests, esp. in the US.
You touched on another interesting phenomenon too though, which is the fact that no one truly knows what "Leftism" means anymore--depending on your political reference points, Leftists could be synonymous with SJWs, neoliberals such as Biden or Harris, or Hollywood elites. This isn't helped by pundits like Tucker Carlson who employ Red Scare tactics to brand those who advance certain agendas as "socialists," "leftists," or "communists." Most actual socialists, communists, and general members of the left find this kind of fear-mongering ridiculous/hilarious, as nobody knowledgeable about these topics would actually venture to call Obama a Marxist or Pelosi a socialist. So even though "Liberal" and "Leftist" are often used interchangeably, self-described leftists are generally substantially further to the left than liberals are. The authoritarianism you refer to (especially ideological authoritarianism and non-nuanced thinking) goes hand-in-hand with liberalism quite often--it espouses a faux-collectivist attitude, where needs are met in the symbolic realm, but not in any meaningful material way. So I'd say that generally speaking, your second description does apply to liberalism (even if many liberals themselves don't match up with that description).
I don't know any self-described leftists who believe in free markets, though. My guess is that the first description you listed would be a bit more in line with something like classical liberalism (i.e. from the Enlightenment). However, many anarchists and left-libertarians (such as Noam Chomsky) believe that anarchism is these ideas taken to their logical conclusion. So as this idea of libertarianism may apply to various systems in very varied ways, I don't think it can be so easily categorically defined as the other.
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Good to see the political compass still holds up as a terrible test.
Economic Left/Right: -0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.05
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... this dumb test thinks I'm a leftist or a commie.. hehe does this mean I blend in?
Thanks, that's interesting way of putting it. I'll keep it mind when people talk about these terms again.
i agree, but there was no reasoning behind it, i just caught the vibes of them quadra(nts)
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Economic Left/Right: -3.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.15
My politics have changed a lot since I've gotten older. I never would have thought I would venture into this quadrant.
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
Wait what lol
@Poptart do you consider yourself "far-left"?
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
Screenshot 2021-08-26 at 10-36-54 The Political Compass.png
Apparently, I went from being "Based trad cat anti-SJW commie wrecker" in 2016-2018 to becoming the SJW hhhhhhhhhhh
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No. The libertarian result surprised me.
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On second thought, the results make sense. I saw “Libertarian” and was like ??? Now I see it says “Social Libertarian”.
God I did this a year or two ago. I still agree with it:5D5F9225-793E-4AC8-BA99-3CA4CACC8950.jpeg
I would say my results make me a "Social Democrat" I think that's pretty accurate.
The Barnum or Forer effect is the tendency for people to judge that general, universally valid statements about personality are actually specific descriptions of their own personalities. A "universally valid" statement is one that is true of everyone—or, more likely, nearly everyone. It is not known why people tend to make such misjudgments, but the effect has been experimentally reproduced.
The psychologist Paul Meehl named this fallacy "the P.T. Barnum effect" because Barnum built his circus and dime museum on the principle of having something for everyone. It is also called "the Forer effect" after its discoverer, the psychologist Bertram R. Forer, who modestly dubbed it "the fallacy of personal validation".
This thread:
Political compass: you are on the left of the graph
Americans: are you saying I am a commie?
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