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    I think we can all agree that English-language socionics literature has become very stagnate. English socionics sites either aren't updated very often or just aren't helpful. Even WikiSocion has succumbed to stasis. Occasionally, people post thought-provoking articles on forums (like this one), but they eventually fade into the enormous void of dead threads and buried posts.

    That's why I think we should start some sort of online socionics publication. On a practical level, we could publish different people's experiences of types, functions, relationships, and real-life situations relevant to socionics. We would develop a deeper understanding of how socionics manifests itself in daily life. We could even hash it out over whether to have a section on VI.

    On a more theoretical level, a publication like this would let us create a more dynamic, focused discussion. In the long term, we could work towards developing socionics as a more coherent, defined, powerful system of understanding human relations.

    Finally, this would be a great place for people to publish all the awesome ideas they have that are swallowed by forums and subsequently forgotten. The scattered nature of internet forums and the English-speaking socionics community in general prevents us from realizing the potential of some of the sharpest insights into socionics.

    Something like this could enable the English-speaking socionics community to create a new level of engaging discussion, practical understanding, and theoretical rigor. What are your thoughts on this?
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    that's a cool idea.
    I wonder how administering it, and deciding who gets to write what - how all that would go, though.

    You could even tweak a blog service to work for that.
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    I'm thinking it would be open to submissions from everybody. We'd need a team of editors to take care of the administration aspect of it.

    Yeah, a blog could implement that functionality. However, I wonder if it wouldn't be better to organize something like this in discrete issues (maybe published every month or two) instead of hoping for a continuous trickle of submissions. A more traditional issue-based format might be best in terms of maximizing interest and commitment as well as preventing older articles from getting lost.

    I've worked on some similar projects as an editor, writer, and layout designer, and in my experience the most important thing is keeping a steady flow of submissions and a consistent level of commitment. Once that's established, everything else tends to fall into place.
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    It's definitely a good idea, I often thought about it but I lack the experience. Biggest problem would probably be: who is the "expert" that judges which opinions are worth publishing and which ones aren't?

    I also think that a journal format would likely be better than a blog, because it would look a bit more professional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nilv View Post
    I think we can all agree that English-language socionics literature has become very stagnate. English socionics sites either aren't updated very often or just aren't helpful. Even WikiSocion has succumbed to stasis. Occasionally, people post thought-provoking articles on forums (like this one), but they eventually fade into the enormous void of dead threads and buried posts.

    That's why I think we should start some sort of online socionics publication. On a practical level, we could publish different people's experiences of types, functions, relationships, and real-life situations relevant to socionics. We would develop a deeper understanding of how socionics manifests itself in daily life. We could even hash it out over whether to have a section on VI.

    On a more theoretical level, a publication like this would let us create a more dynamic, focused discussion. In the long term, we could work towards developing socionics as a more coherent, defined, powerful system of understanding human relations.

    Finally, this would be a great place for people to publish all the awesome ideas they have that are swallowed by forums and subsequently forgotten. The scattered nature of internet forums and the English-speaking socionics community in general prevents us from realizing the potential of some of the sharpest insights into socionics.

    Something like this could enable the English-speaking socionics community to create a new level of engaging discussion, practical understanding, and theoretical rigor. What are your thoughts on this?
    Great idea, just by translated russian socionics article to "real" does a lot for the english socionics community.
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    I think it's a great idea!
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    Cool, I'm happy yall are into this idea.

    If there's enough interest and enough people willing to contribute, I'm going to set up a mailing list or discussion group to coordinate this project and get it moving.

    And if anyone has any suggestions, post em here!

    Quote Originally Posted by FDG
    Biggest problem would probably be: who is the "expert" that judges which opinions are worth publishing and which ones aren't?
    Good point. I'm thinking this would be the responsibility of the editorial team, which for now would be whoever is interested in putting in the time to make this happen. Especially in the initial stages, we don't want to stifle dialog by being too selective.

    Quote Originally Posted by aixelsyd
    I am for the idea. I could fill a variety of functions, probably. It should have some categorization so that there can be a variety of content (some content being more academic, some lighter and more andecdotal, etc). But I like the ideas you have so far. A blog alone won't do and the forums are alright but too easily degenerate into fluff, user personality factions, and basically a lot of BS which is fine but isn't productive.
    Nice. I agree that a multi-tiered approach would be the best, since it would allow more people to get more out of the publication.

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    Great idea, just by translated russian socionics article to "real" does a lot for the english socionics community.
    Yeah, socionics really makes me wish I spoke Russian -- well, that, and the fact that Russian is just plain badass.
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    This looks tasty. I already have an article or two just stagnating on my hard drive, so I'd be up for it.
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    Good stuff, Cone.

    Ok everyone, let's get this shit on the road. Consider this an official...

    CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS

    If you have socionics articles that you want to publish, send them to:

    socionics.magazine@gmail.com (Yeah, we'll think up a more creative name later...)

    Also, anyone who wants to help with editing, layout, and all the behind-the-scenes stuff, or anyone who has web space to donate, please send me a PM or post here! Once we have a good idea of who's up for doing what, I'm going to make a mailing list / Google group to coordinate this project.

    And finally, this project is in its most malleable stage right now, so if you have any suggestions/ideas, now would be a great time to post them.

    Ok. Let's make this happen.
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    Real-life is dumb.

    Cause even if relationships work in real-life, nobody is attracted to anything real lifey. I don't sit there and be all 'ooh look I'm being real world with you' if I'm into somebody, I'm more into the potential of what is happening or how I am complemented with this person, or what have you.

    So I think we need to reanalyze the 'real life' approach. Real life isn't the be end to anything. Real life is real life. It's not inherently any better or worse than fantasy, idealizations or projections or 'make-believe.' Really, feces are real too. War, death, disease. They are all REAL LIFE. We don't dwell in them 24/7 tho cuz that is just insanity.

    I think we're all more confident when we face certain realities we have to face, though. is that what you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves
    Real-life is dumb.

    Cause even if relationships work in real-life, nobody is attracted to anything real lifey. I don't sit there and be all 'ooh look I'm being real world with you' if I'm into somebody, I'm more into the potential of what is happening or how I am complemented with this person, or what have you.

    So I think we need to reanalyze the 'real life' approach. Real life isn't the be end to anything. Real life is real life. It's not inherently any better or worse than fantasy, idealizations or projections or 'make-believe.' Really, feces are real too. War, death, disease. They are all REAL LIFE. We don't dwell in them 24/7 tho cuz that is just insanity.

    I think we're all more confident when we face certain realities we have to face, though. is that what you mean?
    I'm talking about real-life situations that help illuminate socionics (and situations where socionics helps illuminate real-life).

    Fantasy, idealizations, projections, and make-believe are all bound by the framework of real-life. Taking the fantastical as your starting point without reference to everyday life is the act of a coward, a pathetic retreat from the world and from yourself. The mind is an exciting labyrinth, but as soon as it ceases to be anchored to real life, it dissolves into the abyss of meaninglessness. That's the tragedy of materialism. Some people would flip this argument on its head and argue that real life is an even more dangerous form of escapism, a retreat from the self, but you can't escape the fact that the self is irreversibly etched into the infinite material of real life. And if you try to study socionics without reference to real life, you will create nothing more than a highly systematized and internally coherent insanity.

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    I'm interested in this. Can I submit articles that I also host on my own website?
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    This could be a great idea if there is someone in charge who is dedicated to it.

    Here is what we were thinking last year at Wikisocion. People could continue to write stuff on their personal wiki space, and every month we would collect "submissions" for a "magazine" on the site that would contain a list and summary of the articles for that month. The hope was that this would stimulate some more original article creation. Likewise, if there were any new translations or good articles written, they could be included in the magazine along with people's individual articles.

    I think it would have worked well and required fairly minimal organizational effort, but now that the wiki has been hacked it may take a while to get back to this idea, if ever.
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