Borderline Personality Disorder and Multiple Personality Disorder

[Jarno]

of course...I believe this disorder to be temporary...and depends on the emotional place you're at in life.

That is not entirely correct.

cluster B personality disorders last your whole life, though they soften a bit after adulthood.

[Jarno]

I see that I clearly have this disorder. probably to an extreme degree..

either way...
that explains why I can't find a good mate.
but can fuck a bunch of em and be fine.
too bad when I get attached...my emotions get BPD.

Borderline is known to be the most difficult PD to diagnose.

I know a girl who actually has been diagnosed with it. Some behaviours of her:
She sometimes call her ex boyfriend (a friend of mine) 50 times on 1 day. He never picks up his phone, but sees 50 unanswered calls on 1 day! If she talks about her ex, she talks about him as if he is a God. (=idealising partner). She has tried to commit suicide twice and has been hospitalized. THAT is borderline to an extreme degree.

[implied]

Borderline is known to be the most difficult PD to diagnose.

I know a girl who actually has been diagnosed with it. Some behaviours of her:
She sometimes call her ex boyfriend (a friend of mine) 50 times on 1 day. He never picks up his phone, but sees 50 unanswered calls on 1 day! If she talks about her ex, she talks about him as if he is a God. (=idealising partner). She has tried to commit suicide twice and has been hospitalized. THAT is borderline to an extreme degree.

i read once that the easiest way to get rid of a borderline person is to smother them with attention and be more cloying than they are. i really think this would work.

[FDG]

Borderline is known to be the most difficult PD to diagnose.

I know a girl who actually has been diagnosed with it. Some behaviours of her:
She sometimes call her ex boyfriend (a friend of mine) 50 times on 1 day. He never picks up his phone, but sees 50 unanswered calls on 1 day! If she talks about her ex, she talks about him as if he is a God. (=idealising partner). She has tried to commit suicide twice and has been hospitalized. THAT is borderline to an extreme degree.

My ex girlfriend did something similar, although she only got to the point of having a "safe" car accident just to get my attention.

[Jarno]

That is just a normal woman under a lot of emotional duress.

uhm, she's not a normal woman. She has been diagnosed with borderline and is suicidal. She is on a liability pension and has been hospitalized. She's probably be seen by a lot of psychiatrists, but they are all wrong according to you? And I'm curious, if this is a normal woman, how would you describe someone with borderline.

[FDG]

Yeah, because they can't get into the person's head so they ask the person a standard question, and if the person doesn't feel or know any better about what's really going on with themselves then they are most likely to answer yes, and then they are labled for things they are not. That is just a normal woman under a lot of emotional duress.

That girl is simply trying to get his attention; to voice her thoughts to an unresponsive man; if she had some support she would forget about him.

It's BS...I have had "normal" girfriend under emotional stress and they didn't behave like the BPD one at all

[bluesballsbobs]

alright...well I feel a little better about myself... I don't get THAT crazy..
but maybe if I were a GIRL, I would be!

either way...I know I get really jealous and possessive..though..but that's probably because I've been cheated on by someone I loved in the past..

so I have a kind of "fuck, if you're gonna love me, LOVE ME, or I'll go nuts, attitude"
but it's not to the degree of the 50-times-a-day phone calls, or staging a car accident, etc.

however I believe that, the more failed relationships I accumulate, the more and more my BPD will get worse. until one day, I just stop giving a fuck about love and fuck like a million women and have a million families...which is not an uncommon tendancy of my type. and I suppose I would be fulfilling the whole animal kingdom thing...whatever

[Bardia]

There is a reason that personality disorders fall under Axis II unlike major disorders such as depression, biploar, schizophrenia, etc... that are under the category of Axis I. That is because for one they are personality and two because they are much more of a gray area. My abnormal professor liked to call them "personality styles" rather than disorders. The problem is the blurry line between what is considered "normal" and what is considered "abnormal." Someone might possess a few of the traits of borderline but not actually have BPD. Unfortunately personality disorders are very hard to treat and many people with them resist being told they have a problem.

blue: I wouldn't necessarily say you have BPD if it is mostly related to romantic relationships. Those kinds of relationships can make all kinds of people do crazy things. I'm not a professional, though.

[tcaudilllg]

Interesting question: should we allow BDP sufferers to hold political office?

[Jarno]

Interesting question: should we allow BDP sufferers to hold political office?

I think it's better to judge people on their true efforts then on their estimated potential.

[tcaudilllg]

I think it's better to judge people on their true efforts then on their estimated potential.

It's not an estimate. Whether you can comprehend that or not, is ultimately irrelevant.

You know, that mention of potential... ouch man I think you're relying too much on your ideosyncratic Ne there.

[Jarno]

It's not an estimate. Whether you can comprehend that or not, is ultimately irrelevant.

You know, that mention of potential... ouch man I think you're relying too much on your ideosyncratic Ne there.

so when I use the word potential I'm using my Ne?

[tcaudilllg]

so when I use the word potential I'm using my Ne?

DUH.

[Jarno]

DUH.

You find this normal. I find it not. That's no problem but I think many of the disagreements on this forum are based on these different perspectives. I think I might open a new thread on this one...

[tcaudilllg]

You find this normal. I find it not. That's no problem but I think many of the disagreements on this forum are based on these different perspectives. I think I might open a new thread on this one...

It's the same reason you prefer to use an idiosyncratic understanding to the one everyone else is likely to understand.

[Jarno]

It's the same reason you prefer to use an idiosyncratic understanding to the one everyone else is likely to understand.

the problem is, a type can talk all he wants about potentials, still in his writing style his original type is visible.

I can talk all I want about relationships, and it still doesn't make me an Fi ego type.

We've tested it with rick once, he tried to use only Si but his sentences were still configured like every ENFp does.

So the hypothesis of 'every word is a different kind of information' likely has a core of truth in it, but when tested it just isn't quite working as expected...

[tcaudilllg]

the problem is, a type can talk all he wants about potentials, still in his writing style his original type is visible.

I can talk all I want about relationships, and it still doesn't make me an Fi ego type.

We've tested it with rick once, he tried to use only Si but his sentences were still configured like every ENFp does.

So the hypothesis of 'every word is a different kind of information' likely has a core of truth in it, but when tested it just isn't quite working as expected...

It depends on if the usage is original or borrowed. If borrowed (and it tends be pretty obvious when it is because it tends to be very general and unspecific) then it has no characteristics of the type who says it. However if original, it will always be flavored according to its position in the user's function order. Vital track functions, when used to produce original content, are idiosyncratic. Mental track functions, in contrast, are used to reference universals.

[Jarno]

It depends on if the usage is original or borrowed. If borrowed (and it tends be pretty obvious when it is because it tends to be very general and unspecific) then it has no characteristics of the type who says it. However if original, it will always be flavored according to its position in the user's function order. Vital track functions, when used to produce original content, are idiosyncratic. Mental track functions, in contrast, are used to reference universals.

oke in that way it makes more sense. thanx.

[07490]

I was once diagnosed with a "mild" form of Borderline Personality Disorder. I will say there is something wrong with me at a level I can usually suppress that has disturbed/disrupted my life through my adulthood a great deal. Anyway, I believe I am ESFj...

Are you a enneagram two instinct sexual/self-preservation?

I know one and her "regular" behavior can feel like she has mild symptom of BPD.

Jealousy is a big issue for the sexual variant of type Two. When unhealthy, they can’t see how they push away the people from whom they most want love. It becomes a vicious cycle because the more they get rejected the more they push. Twos are usually very good at reading others' emotions and needs, but their blind spot (just like all the heart centered types) is not always being able to read how they are making others feel, especially in the present. The Two is past oriented; they have an emotional tally in their minds of all the good they have done in the past for others, but are blind to how they can make others feel at the moment. This is common to all unhealthy Twos, but is even more accentuated in the sexual variant because the underlying fear of both the enneatype and the sexual instinct are very similar.

This subtype loves attention. They give by shows of affection and by spending time with those they are focused on. They make themselves attractive to be lovable. They can be very flirtatious, and are very good at making the other person feel special. On the down side, if this attention is not reciprocated, they can become controlling and manipulative with their loved ones. When unhealthy, the sex/self-pres subtype can become volatile with their intimates. When healthier, the Two develops powers of introspection which helps them form truly healthy relationships.

Telling the difference between self-pres/sexual subtype and sexual/self-pres subtype can be very difficult with enneatype Two because type Two energy itself can mimic the energy of the sexual instinct. Therefore, a self-pres Two can still have many of the same issues as the sexual Two. The biggest difference will be in intensity. When unhealthy, the self-pres/sexual Two will adopt more of an air of entitlement as compared to the sexual/self-pres subtype. They will be less direct when it comes to expressing their needs. They expect their intimates to read their minds and do things for them to show their appreciation.

Here is a video of my dual with BPD.

http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=eOphgCJX1FY