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    I have noticed for some time that Beta NFs often exhibit a need to portray themselves as cultured, intellectual, and mathematically/logically adept.

    How is this explained in terms of Socionics? Is it that these particular traits are viewed by society as important aspects of power and prestige? If so, is this basically a manifestation of the absence of their duals?

    My personal view toward intellectualism, etc., is that most of the kind of information that intellectuals absorb (esoteric literature and miscellaneous trivia about art and architecture) isn't actually useful in any practical way, and that the time it takes to learn all of it would be better spent mastering key career skills. It seems like you could spend several lifetimes trying to craft a hyper-intellectual persona, and unless you know for certain that you will be in positions where it is important to be seen as knowledgeable about these intellectual topics, it would be a more productive use of time to limit such learning to either useful things or things that you are genuinely interested in.

    For example, I have several books on things like language, history, mythology, war, science, physics, and I've even got a big fat Shakespeare. But though I find most of that stuff very interesting, I only read it when I've not got school reading or when I'm not reading some bullshit about economics. I don't really care if someone start quoting Wordsworth and I can't identify it, because it has nothing to do with me or my core interests.

    So is this how a Beta ST might direct a Beta NF into putting more focus into their subconscious ST power questing?

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    I suppose I try to appear intellectual. But mostly it's because I really enjoy literature, and it really makes my life better. It gives me words for things I didn't understand before. It helps me organize/make sense of my experience. It gives me pleasure to relate abstract concepts to one another. It's fun. So I guess I'm saying that I do limit the reading to things I'm genuinely interested in. Are there beta NFs who don't? (I mean, I'm sure there are, but is obsessing over intellectual things you don't actually enjoy a disproportionately beta NF trait? I don't think so.)

    Also, have you memorized any Wordsworth? I promise, learning poetry is totally worth it. It doesn't serve any practical purpose, but, like Richard Rorty (I think) said, it's like having more close friends. It just makes your life better.

    So while there maybe be some power seeking in my intellectual facade, the reason I do the reading has nothing to do with power seeking and everything to do with actually enjoying the stuff. I do like to compete in intellectual things, but that's because I like to compete period, but I can't compete in actual athletic things, because I suck at sports. I am, however, awfully good at thinking, which makes thinking a better field for competition (for me) than most (all?) other things. And I do love a good (non-physical) fight.

    Also... ewwww, key career skills. Blech. Are you sure you don't want to go back to gamma? They love career skills in gamma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    I suppose I try to appear intellectual. But mostly it's because I really enjoy literature, and it really makes my life better. It gives me words for things I didn't understand before. It helps me organize/make sense of my experience. It gives me pleasure to relate abstract concepts to one another. It's fun. So I guess I'm saying that I do limit the reading to things I'm genuinely interested in. Are there beta NFs who don't? (I mean, I'm sure there are, but is obsessing over intellectual things you don't actually enjoy a disproportionately beta NF trait? I don't think so.)

    Also, have you memorized any Wordsworth? I promise, learning poetry is totally worth it. It doesn't serve any practical purpose, but, like Richard Rorty (I think) said, it's like having more close friends. It just makes your life better.

    So while there maybe be some power seeking in my intellectual facade, the reason I do the reading has nothing to do with power seeking and everything to do with actually enjoying the stuff. I do like to compete in intellectual things, but that's because I like to compete period, but I can't compete in actual athletic things, because I suck at sports. I am, however, awfully good at thinking, which makes thinking a better field for competition (for me) than most (all?) other things. And I do love a good (non-physical) fight.

    Also... ewwww, key career skills. Blech. Are you sure you don't want to go back to gamma? They love career skills in gamma.
    The only poem I have memorized is "The Conquerer Worm" because I thought it sounded cool in high school. I guess if you want to be a writer it makes sense to read that stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    I guess if you want to be a writer it makes sense to read that stuff.
    If you want to be HUMAN it makes sense to read that stuff. There is nothing better than literature and poetry to reveal the human condition, suffering, emotions, purpose and meaning.

    screw the idea of career skills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    screw the idea of career skills.
    And how do you make a living?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    And how do you make a living?
    I knew it would come to that. well, you marry an attorney, that's what. Um actually right now I'm earning money with my textile art, but yes that would not be enough to support a big family. My point being however that ignoring the literature IN LIEU OF career skills isn't great either. I think you need both. I'm a huge advocate of a liberal arts education before grad school or whatever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    And how do you make a living?
    EIEs, I think, are generally more pragmatic and practical than IEIs.

    It's a theme I've heard time and time again in biographies of people of both types--EIEs (like ******, for example,) are characterized over and over as, essentially, pragmatic and practical, whereas IEIs...

    I don't mean this to offend IEIs or prop-up EIEs... It's just something I've noticed, and it's (vaguely) relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    If you want to be HUMAN it makes sense to read that stuff. There is nothing better than literature and poetry to reveal the human condition, suffering, emotions, purpose and meaning.

    screw the idea of career skills.
    I like. Though I like to think I'm physical enough to do pretty much anything hands-on. I want to be both philosopher and badass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana View Post
    What means "key career skills?" Stuff to make you better suited for a job? Uggh. Discojoe, I have some books for you to read in your spare time. Read anything by John Taylor Gatto, but particularly "Weapons of Mass Instruction," read Lemony Snicket's series of children's books (no reason in particular for these, I just like them,) and read "Possum Living" by Dolly Freed. Throw in some Rand if you'd like, but I think Thomas Sowell is killing your mind.
    By "key career skills" I mean the skills that make you good at the main thing or things that you do. It is probably easier to shun such a concept when you live far away from civilization. However, the practicality and benefits of it are irrefutable.

    I am not discounting the value of curiosity and imagination. The point of what I was saying was that I think Beta NFs sometimes put too much focus into the appearance of being intellectual without much regard for whether or not what they are learning adds much to their prestige/power/.

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    The ones who win are the ones who merge their intellectual/personal pursuits with practical applications.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    The ones who win are the ones who merge their intellectual/personal pursuits with practical applications.
    I agree. I don't think you should put a lot of time into your work if it is something you hate. So I guess I am basically saying what you said, only in several paragraphs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    I agree. I don't think you should put a lot of time into your work if it is something you hate. So I guess I am basically saying what you said, only in several paragraphs.
    Yeah...I mean, from a purely concrete standpoint, essentially Beta STs help to invest Beta NFs developed personal interests, which are typically humanistic or psychological (or both) in nature, into more practical outlets, while Beta NFs help Beta STs to find deeper insight and personal significance in what they do with themselves, as well as taking care of the interpersonal side of business.

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    It could have to do with wanting to be taken seriously in society (social survival). Being "cultured" and "intellectual" allows one to pass in a variety of social circles and be generally accepted and respected in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loki View Post
    It could have to do with wanting to be taken seriously in society (social survival). Being "cultured" and "intellectual" allows one to pass in a variety of social circles and be generally accepted and respected in them.
    Being taken seriously is a theme I have noticed in many Beta NFs, especially those whose primary enneagram types are in the image triad. This was one of the biggest things that bugged me about my dad growing up; I never felt like he took me seriously. I've noticed it as a big theme in, for example, Eminem, IEI-Fe 4w3 sx/so: he talks about playing the "court jester," "hiding behind the tears of a clown," and other examples of doing goofy shit to get attention but internally resenting himself because he feels he is not considered significant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    By "key career skills" I mean the skills that make you good at the main thing or things that you do. It is probably easier to shun such a concept when you live far away from civilization. However, the practicality and benefits of it are irrefutable.

    I am not discounting the value of curiosity and imagination. The point of what I was saying was that I think Beta NFs sometimes put too much focus into the appearance of being intellectual without much regard for whether or not what they are learning adds much to their prestige/power/.
    It might be argued that one really important career skill is the ability to impress the right person at the right time. A high degree of intellectual sophistication might do the trick, sometimes better than competence. It's not a method I favor and/or I feel like I'm good at, but I must recognize its practicality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    It might be argued that one really important career skill is the ability to impress the right person at the right time. A high degree of intellectual sophistication might do the trick, sometimes better than competence. It's not a method I favor and/or I feel like I'm good at, but I must recognize its practicality.
    ^Beta ST pretending to be Gamma NT.

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    No, more like person who has a sense of a basic business/career-oriented mindset. To exclude or disregard self-presentation would be a fatal mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    ^Beta ST pretending to be Gamma NT.
    That wouldn't really impact the truthfulness of what I said, even if unfair/suboptimal. I was being descriptive, not normative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    My personal view toward intellectualism, etc., is that most of the kind of information that intellectuals absorb (esoteric literature and miscellaneous trivia about art and architecture) isn't actually useful in any practical way, and that the time it takes to learn all of it would be better spent mastering key career skills.
    Pursuit of knowledge in an esoteric area of study, with practical implementation as a distant or non-existent consideration, is more of a nerd thing than an intellectual thing.

    Intellectuals are interested in ideas for their potential to change the world (and ideas do change the world). Throughout human history, art, literature, and design (including architecture) have been used as vehicles for new, 'groundbreaking' ideas.

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    OK, I just bought a book of W.H. Auden poetry. This better be good you fuckers.

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    you aren't ISTj. you are ISFj.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratXII View Post
    you aren't ISTj. you are ISFj.
    Your assertions/opinions are comically irrelevant to my thought processes.

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    Has anyone else noticed that in all the abbreviation things, this thread's title is "Beta NFs and the need to come"? I just thought that was funny.
    Your assertions/opinions are comically irrelevant to my thought processes.
    You sounded kinda like a robot in that post. I was going to try to make a joke about it, but then I realized the joke wasn't funny, so I let it go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Has anyone else noticed that in all the abbreviation things, this thread's title is "Beta NFs and the need to come"? I just thought that was funny.
    I should have made the title "Female Beta NFs and the need to have semen pumped into their bodies."

    You sounded kinda like a robot in that post. I was going to try to make a joke about it, but then I realized the joke wasn't funny, so I let it go.
    It's because crazedrat finds it intimidating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    OK, I just bought a book of W.H. Auden poetry. This better be good you fuckers.
    Try "In Memory of W.B. Yeats". That was the first poem I ever memorized (part of it, just the third section). It's amazing. Also, I'm almost 100% sure Auden was gamma. "Spain" is also good, though long. And of course "Musee des Beaux Arts" but I kinda hate the poem. The sentiment of it is stupid.

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    you aren't ISTj. you are ISFj.
    Meh. I buy him as either.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    eh we're not trying to be anything. We really are just that more cultured and intelligent than most people. =p It's not a 'portrayal' or an act, dearie. It's the real thing.

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    Beta NFs and the need to come off as intellectual Reply to Thread
    Anyone else find the implications of that statement a bit concerning considering the nature of the discussion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    I have noticed for some time that Beta NFs often exhibit a need to portray themselves as cultured, intellectual, and mathematically/logically adept.

    How is this explained in terms of Socionics? Is it that these particular traits are viewed by society as important aspects of power and prestige? If so, is this basically a manifestation of the absence of their duals?

    My personal view toward intellectualism, etc., is that most of the kind of information that intellectuals absorb (esoteric literature and miscellaneous trivia about art and architecture) isn't actually useful in any practical way, and that the time it takes to learn all of it would be better spent mastering key career skills. It seems like you could spend several lifetimes trying to craft a hyper-intellectual persona, and unless you know for certain that you will be in positions where it is important to be seen as knowledgeable about these intellectual topics, it would be a more productive use of time to limit such learning to either useful things or things that you are genuinely interested in.
    lol I don't think being seen as an intellectual increases one's power or prestige unless they're in university. As a beta NF any "intellectual image porn" I exude probably ought to be seen in a plainer, more base, and less contrived way. I don't know why but I spend a significant percentage of my free time reading and learning things that by themselves (and often even when coupled with other things) that are absolutely useless to myself and society in general, but for some reason I find learning about them interesting and the best analogy I think would be pairing this information with an addictive substance. The simple act of learning something inherently interesting (subjective to my Ni-base of course, so whenever I say interesting you should be replacing interesting with comically useless) unleashes the chemicals or electrical charges that govern mental pleasure in my brain. On the other hand, taking the time to learn actual "career" skills that would help in day to day life, by society's standards, is from what I can tell and have tried, mental masochism. Maybe because I don't have a career but have a job in construction nontheless that pays the bills and I've become too comfortable but really. It's hard for me to even imagine having a career life where all my life revolves around a career. The point of a career as I see it is merely to accumulate resources so as to more pleasurably pursue private hobbies completely unrelated to career. I was thinking about careers recently and being a librarian might not be bad . I see jobs and careers though as good to a point (providing modest living standards) but useless beyond that point because they require investing time (the most important resource I have) and in return they provide money (significantly less important than time. Like trading gold for copper.

    Might also have something to do with Ni base being overdeveloped and thus using Fe as a means to pleasure itself like the dirty whore that it is. Fe can be used to find people with stockpiles of esoteric booty to be plundered.
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    I'm doing Algebra right now, and it has reassured me of my inability to ever be an intellectual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misutii View Post
    lol I don't think being seen as an intellectual increases one's power or prestige unless they're in university. As a beta NF any "intellectual image porn" I exude probably ought to be seen in a plainer, more base, and less contrived way. I don't know why but I spend a significant percentage of my free time reading and learning things that by themselves (and often even when coupled with other things) that are absolutely useless to myself and society in general, but for some reason I find learning about them interesting and the best analogy I think would be pairing this information with an addictive substance. The simple act of learning something inherently interesting (subjective to my Ni-base of course, so whenever I say interesting you should be replacing interesting with comically useless) unleashes the chemicals or electrical charges that govern mental pleasure in my brain. On the other hand, taking the time to learn actual "career" skills that would help in day to day life, by society's standards, is from what I can tell and have tried, mental masochism. Maybe because I don't have a career but have a job in construction nontheless that pays the bills and I've become too comfortable but really. It's hard for me to even imagine having a career life where all my life revolves around a career. The point of a career as I see it is merely to accumulate resources so as to more pleasurably pursue private hobbies completely unrelated to career. I was thinking about careers recently and being a librarian might not be bad . I see jobs and careers though as good to a point (providing modest living standards) but useless beyond that point because they require investing time (the most important resource I have) and in return they provide money (significantly less important than time. Like trading gold for copper.

    Might also have something to do with Ni base being overdeveloped and thus using Fe as a means to pleasure itself like the dirty whore that it is. Fe can be used to find people with stockpiles of esoteric booty to be plundered.
    Well, I think a career should ideally be something you love to do. But if you hate or are indifferent to your work, then I guess it makes more sense to focus on different subjects.

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    I'm doing Algebra right now, and it has reassured me of my inability to ever be an intellectual.
    Which part are you having trouble with?

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    Which part are you having trouble with?
    Really it's more of a time management issue if anything.
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    I see jobs and careers though as good to a point (providing modest living standards) but useless beyond that point because they require investing time (the most important resource I have) and in return they provide money (significantly less important than time. Like trading gold for copper.
    Amen. +250,000

    Although I do think that art doesn't just give more prestige at a university, but also at parties with intellectuals who work at universities (and some other parties too--everyone wants to seem "cultured" and all...).
    The point of a career as I see it is merely to accumulate resources so as to more pleasurably pursue private hobbies completely unrelated to career.
    Yeah. That's why I either want to be a writer, a performer, or a professor, because reading, writing, and performing are pretty much all my hobbies, and I want to try to make money off of them. Otherwise I'm not sure what I'll do for cash (probably sell my soul to an ad agency).
    Not a rule, just a trend.

    IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by misutii View Post
    lol I don't think being seen as an intellectual increases one's power or prestige unless they're in university. As a beta NF any "intellectual image porn" I exude probably ought to be seen in a plainer, more base, and less contrived way. I don't know why but I spend a significant percentage of my free time reading and learning things that by themselves (and often even when coupled with other things) that are absolutely useless to myself and society in general, but for some reason I find learning about them interesting and the best analogy I think would be pairing this information with an addictive substance. The simple act of learning something inherently interesting (subjective to my Ni-base of course, so whenever I say interesting you should be replacing interesting with comically useless) unleashes the chemicals or electrical charges that govern mental pleasure in my brain. On the other hand, taking the time to learn actual "career" skills that would help in day to day life, by society's standards, is from what I can tell and have tried, mental masochism. Maybe because I don't have a career but have a job in construction nontheless that pays the bills and I've become too comfortable but really. It's hard for me to even imagine having a career life where all my life revolves around a career. The point of a career as I see it is merely to accumulate resources so as to more pleasurably pursue private hobbies completely unrelated to career. I was thinking about careers recently and being a librarian might not be bad . I see jobs and careers though as good to a point (providing modest living standards) but useless beyond that point because they require investing time (the most important resource I have) and in return they provide money (significantly less important than time. Like trading gold for copper.

    Might also have something to do with Ni base being overdeveloped and thus using Fe as a means to pleasure itself like the dirty whore that it is. Fe can be used to find people with stockpiles of esoteric booty to be plundered.
    I love that. I didn't want to agree with discojoe when he said what he did, because of something I just couldn't explain about life. You just explained it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ezra View Post
    How? By giving them useless facts?
    No, by giving them more direction in their intellectual pursuits.

    For example, Barack Obama is historically illiterate and only managed to be so successful politically because of his blackness, bullshit-talking, and rich baritone voice. Remove any one of those elements (yes, even the voice) and he would not be president. Now that the public has caught on to his behavior, he has lost a ton of popularity and will probably not be reelected. I think this would have been avoided if he had spent less time trying to appear smart and more time actually learning about history and economics, which I consider the two most important subjects by far. This would have given him actual, practical perspective with which to debate positions, rather than having to rely on bullshit-talking Fe and condescending/snide remarks to anyone who disagrees with him.

    While such perspective may have led him to choose different political affiliations (and it's a shame, because he could have been a brilliant conservative/libertarian), he would have been able to ensure more long-term success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diana View Post
    I completely agree with this sentiment. Something really bothers me about the idea of making your life about your career. Exactly so it's trading gold for copper.
    You are taking my words and injecting them with all of your personal negative connotations. A career is not necessarily just a job. Stephen King is a writer by trade, and writing is something he loves to do.

    The natural, enlightened Zen state of a person may not lead them to making your personal ideal life choices. A career can be personally enriching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    No, by giving them more direction in their intellectual pursuits.

    For example, Barack Obama is historically illiterate and only managed to be so successful politically because of his blackness, bullshit-talking, and rich baritone voice. Remove any one of those elements (yes, even the voice) and he would not be president. Now that the public has caught on to his behavior, he has lost a ton of popularity and will probably not be reelected. I think this would have been avoided if he had spent less time trying to appear smart and more time actually learning about history and economics, which I consider the two most important subjects by far. This would have given him actual, practical perspective with which to debate positions, rather than having to rely on bullshit-talking Fe and condescending/snide remarks to anyone who disagrees with him.
    Quote Originally Posted by thePirate View Post
    How the LSI used to phrase things would spike my emotions because he would say things that I perceived as fucked up, like they were fact, and it pissed me the heck off. Things that I didnt want to acknowledge as true, despite the logicality of it.
    Also, I don't know that Barack Obama is so much historically illiterate as willing to deliberately misrepresent history. That may be a bad thing, but he rode in on the myth-making train, and the nature of myth-making is to misrepresent history.

    But I don't want to get in an argument because I've had too many of those lately! *flees from Ti* (unless it's actually Fi).

    Anyway, didn't I already deploy my Richard Rorty quote? Knowing more books just makes your life better, whether it's in any way practical or not. It's like the mad scene in King Lear (to say nothing of some parts of Hamlet). It actually serves no dramatic purpose. You could pretty much take it out of the play and the play would still be logical. But no production would cut it. It's just perfect and wonderful and awesome, and people like it.

    Didn't you ever skip class/studying to go to the museum, discojoe? (as I am planning to do this saturday probably)
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    Also, I don't know that Barack Obama is so much historically illiterate as willing to deliberately misrepresent history. That may be a bad thing, but he rode in on the myth-making train, and the nature of myth-making is to misrepresent history.
    I can't recall each instance of this, but on several occasions he has made incorrect statements (objectively, not interpretively) about Western History. One of them had to do with Hirohito, but I forget exactly what he said.

    But I don't want to get in an argument because I've had too many of those lately! *flees from Ti* (unless it's actually Fi).
    This discussion is Ti.

    Anyway, didn't I already deploy my Richard Rorty quote? Knowing more books just makes your life better, whether it's in any way practical or not. It's like the mad scene in King Lear (to say nothing of some parts of Hamlet). It actually serves no dramatic purpose. You could pretty much take it out of the play and the play would still be logical. But no production would cut it. It's just perfect and wonderful and awesome, and people like it.
    I agree that reading books enriches you, but there are so many that it becomes a problem when you don't discriminate based on some type of priority.

    Didn't you ever skip class/studying to go to the museum, discojoe? (as I am planning to do this saturday probably)
    Actually, I find museums boring unless I know about the history of the art or artifacts on display. That's one area where it really counts to know your stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discojoe View Post
    I can't recall each instance of this, but on several occasions he has made incorrect statements (objectively, not interpretively) about Western History. One of them had to do with Hirohito, but I forget exactly what he said.
    Fine.

    I agree that reading books enriches you, but there are so many that it becomes a problem when you don't discriminate based on some type of priority.
    Exactly! That's what Harold Bloom is for. One of the important parts of literary criticism is determining which book is better than another one. For instance, you should probably read Shakespeare rather than Dan Koontz or whatever his name is.

    Actually, I find museums boring unless I know about the history of the art or artifacts on display. That's one area where it really counts to know your stuff.
    Oh, not at all! I went to the museum the other day and had no clue about any of the paintings but they were just beautiful! I walked mostly around the European paintings, portraits, etc., and it was awesome. It reminded me of Shakespeare, actually, in the "representation of persons".
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diana View Post
    Some people define themselves by their jobs. It's not something they do anymore, it's who they are. They become a position, a role, a function, and it's all they have. That kind of overfocusing on practical ambition, regardless of how much they love it, or what it means to them, robs them of the chance to enjoy so many other things. Things that could be much more valuable and meaningful to their life. So, if someone gets the chance to dip into other things that they enjoy, and skip out on building their career skills, I'm all for it. Single-minded determination towards a goal has its place, but doing things for no other purpose than because you want to does too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    1)
    A girl who I want to date, asks me: well first tell me how tall you are?
    My reply: well I will answer that, if you first tell me how much you weigh!

    2)
    A girl I was dating said she was oh so great at sex etc, but she didn't do blowjobs.
    My reply: Oh I'm really romantic etc, I just will never take you out to dinner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 07490 View Post
    sigh, I regret being an Enneagram three (why did I choose this life when I reincarnate, they didn't teach Enneagram in Heaven school?) , But if I find a girl like you all problems will be solved.
    Cuz she's your dual.
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