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    Default Ni-creative: Manipulative by nature? (ENTj & ENFj)

    I was thinking about this, and I don't mean in purposefully harmful or sinister way. It just seems that Ni-creatives usually act with a particular result in mind and so naturally act in a way to get people to do what they want or to get a certain response. It's similar to the way an Se-ego might act, but in a lot more subtle and round-a-bout way. I think this also ties in with Se-HA.

    The difference with Ni-base is that they would likely focus on the way things are playing out and act only to alter the direction. Ni-creative focuses on the results of their actions instead of seeing how chains of events flow independent of particular actions. Ni-base may be manipulative as well; however, they are more likely to be apathetic because they perceive things to be working out fine the way they are going.

    It has been said before that EIE has purposeful emotions, and I think this in itself implies a degree of manipulative tendencies. LIE, by contrast, would be more explicit in their actions, but their motives may be just as hidden.
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    Well they like to coerce people to make choices, don't they? (the EIEs, anyway)

    I suppose LIEs would be interested in... controlling outcomes.

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    I just thought it was interesting that I was accused of being manipulative. I can see how it might come off that way.
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    I think this might be most obvious in intimate relationships because of the mind games that are often involved, like it or not.
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    i think so. although, 'manipulative' has rather negative connotations of being self-serving, and i don't think that most ENTj's and ENFj's are selfish like that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xixi View Post
    i think so. although, 'manipulative' has rather negative connotations of being self-serving, and i don't think that most ENTj's and ENFj's are selfish like that...
    i think they are. and 'self-serving' is not entirely negative. are we not all selfish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    I was thinking about this, and I don't mean in purposefully harmful or sinister way. It just seems that Ni-creatives usually act with a particular result in mind and so naturally act in a way to get people to do what they want or to get a certain response. It's similar to the way an Se-ego might act, but in a lot more subtle and round-a-bout way. I think this also ties in with Se-HA.

    The difference with Ni-base is that they would likely focus on the way things are playing out and act only to alter the direction. Ni-creative focuses on the results of their actions instead of seeing how chains of events flow independent of particular actions. Ni-base may be manipulative as well; however, they are more likely to be apathetic because they perceive things to be working out fine the way they are going.

    It has been said before that EIE has purposeful emotions, and I think this in itself implies a degree of manipulative tendencies. LIE, by contrast, would be more explicit in their actions, but their motives may be just as hidden.
    This seems totally right to me and in line with my experience.
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    There is some really good stuff in this thread for people who might be confused about Ni.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Under cerulean skies...

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    WTF are you doing here, Gilly. You ain't no Ni creative.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    WTF are you doing here, Gilly. You ain't no Ni creative.
    o.o what am I?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    o.o what am I?
    A tall Bostonian.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    My parents are Ni creative and they are both on the controlling side. And I'm not just saying that because they're my parents.
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    Oh. Ok.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    And an intuitive logical extratim.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Yeah? Fi PoLR abound?
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Yeah? Fi PoLR abound?
    Yeah, that wouldn't work. Let's stick to ENFj.

    And let me reassure you, as long as you give me compliments and feed me Fi, you're in complete control.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    Yeah, that wouldn't work. Let's stick to ENFj.

    And let me reassure you, as long as you give me compliments and feed me Fi, you're in complete control.
    Lmao.

    Don't worry, my dad is a priest and I have a huge Jesus complex; having people ask for my help is, well, just part of the equation.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Lmao.

    Don't worry, my dad is a priest and I have a huge Jesus complex; having people ask for my help is, well, just part of the equation.
    Sweet. [Socionics Trivia:] Did you know that Jesus was an ENFj?
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    Nah probably ESI or perhaps EII from what I've read in the Bible.

    The Miltonian Satan is Beta extrovert as fuck.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
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    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Jesus is Abbie's dual.
    It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.
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    You guys screw up my jokes.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly
    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    :/
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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