Beta:
Adolf ******: EIE
Josef Goebbels: EIE
Heinrich Himmler: LSI
Gamma:
Hermann Göring: LIE
Wilhelm Keitel: LIE
Albert Speer: ILI
Joachhim von Ribbentrop: ILI
Beta:
Adolf ******: EIE
Josef Goebbels: EIE
Heinrich Himmler: LSI
Gamma:
Hermann Göring: LIE
Wilhelm Keitel: LIE
Albert Speer: ILI
Joachhim von Ribbentrop: ILI
I thought you said that typing celebrities doesn't pay off or something like that.
I doubt about Heinrich Himmler
Hermann Goring - ESTP(?)
Wilhelm Keitel - ISTJ(?)
What is fun, Stalin (ISTJ) and ****** (ENFJ) were duals.
I'm not sure what you mean?
****** is ENFj according to most people, and Stalin is ISTj according to most people.
So that would make them duals.
This doesn't prevent them from having war with eachother. It just means if they didn't have these intentions and would just sit relax and have a chat, they would have become great friends.
You know exactly what I mean
Yes, I read that before, thanks.
I don't know, you seem to be a nice guy what causes me to limit most of the negative comments, but facts speak otherwise.
Tea party ?
EDIT: Hmm. Maybe someone meant Trotsky and ******, that would make sense.
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Heh, who started the war with whom ? I don't know how do you process information leading to such erroneous conclusions. It's beyond me.
If two polar extremes, according to socionics, can be duals, then I retract what I have said previously. Opposites attract, they say. If that's the case here, you're 100% right, and I'm wrong.
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You people seem to bridge two different systems together. The latter being reactionary to the former.
EDIT: But, I agree, Jarno - I don't know shite about duality.
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I theorize ****** may actually have been an IEI. His public persona was certainly EIE, but that was a carefully crafted act. What I've studied of his private persona seems more reserved, and I while I wouldn't say I'm certain he was IEI, I think it's worth investigating.
Quaero Veritas.
****** and Stalin were, IMO, duals... Ni-ENFj and (? subtype) ISTj respectively... From what I've read, Stalin admired ****** quite a lot, and trusted that ****** would not go to war with him (for a much longer time--two years--than he did... Stalin was surprised--and personally hurt--by ******'s attack.) Stalin read Mein Kampf through-and-through, and--from what I've read--found ****** personally fascinating... They got along well, personally.
I've experienced EIE-LSI duality manifest similarly to this.
Re: Krig and "****** may actually have been IEI.." I've also read that ****** was quite "reserved" in private... I'd like to caveat that "reserved" is totally normal for EIEs... Personally, I feel much more "extroverted" in front of large crowds than I do one-on-one... I've heard several other ENFjs speak to this as well--unefille, for example... I feel like I have more 'control,' for lack of a better word, over a group emotional dynamic than I do a one-on-one emotionaly dynamic.
The more I study Socionics, the more I'm convinced that behavior (i.e. "reserved) falls in the province of MBTI, and isn't tied to Socionics' type. There are, for example more talkative IEIs, and more reserved EIEs--an EIE being "reserved" doesn't make him an IEI, that is to say... The way to tell the difference between two mirrors is by studying their info metabolism, inter-type relations, and evaluating their energy/comparing it to other examples.
******'s strict regimentation, (and even his stiff posture,) betray an IEI typing... IMO, Ni-EIE is correct.
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If you tried to justify such a typing beyond a one-off sentence, I could at least respond with a "good effort, but you might want to consider..."
I have a hunch that you're still thinking in terms of MBTI, and haven't learned much about Socionics yet.
You're new to Socionics... It might be best to read about the theory first. No offense intended.
Edit: Ni-EIE has been confused for ILE in the past on this forum.
Adolf ******: ESE
Eva Braun: ESE
Josef Goebbels: ESE
Heinrich Himmler: SEI
Hermann Göring: ESE
Albert Speer: ILE
Richard Wagner: LII
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I don't think ****** and Stalin were duals.
Rick types Stalin LSI but I'm quite sure he was LSE.
Most of the nazis were Beta and Gamma whereas most of the Bolshevists were Alpha and Delta I think.
Lenin - LII
Stalin - LSE
Trotzki - IEE
(I know that many people type them differently...)
Really well-put, and great comparison... I agree with this 100%... Recently I saw an A&E Biography on Freddie Mercury, which emphasized--over and over--how he was very "shy and reserved in private," but totally different in public, (especially onstage.)
I can vouch that it's personally true for me, as well... In everyday life, I'm not the stereotypically loud "extravert"--on the contrary, shy & reserved.
This echoes what I've read and heard about ******. (Coincidentally, someone on the Biography about Freddie Mercury went so far as to compare Freddie's control over crowds to ******'s. Knowing Socionics, and believing that the two were both EIE--it was pretty cool to hear.)
A few weeks ago I saw a tv show about ******'s belief in the occult, and how the Third Reich used occult imagery/symbolism to further its agenda... This belief in the occult and symbolism, I've also found to be prevalent among EIEs... (Granted, anybody, of any type can have an interest in the occult and symbolism--it's just that I've noticed it in so many EIEs now that I'm beginning to believe it's no coincidence.)
Georing was ESTp, we was particularly flamboyant personality, he made exageratted claims as to the power of the luftwaffe, at the end of the war he stupidly came to america thinking light on the whole war as if it were a game and was arrested, there are stories of him patting eva braun or maybe other nazi girls on the ass, and generally being kind of boorish and flamboyant and gamemans like. He was completely different from the irratible, serious, and withdrawn ******.
I wonder what Rommel was, typically I've heard people say Rommel was never really a "Nazi" and advocated for treatying to end the war after they had expanded to their current point after the campaigns in north africa. ****** eventually became paranoid about his loyalties and made him commit suicide under societal pressure. He seems LSI, he was sharp, a straight up military man, strong Se, excelled in defense, and probably his LSI nature made him suspectible to social pressures that led to his eventually suicide. It is also said that Rommel was generally against the killing of prisoners of war of different ethnicities etc out of some kind of philosophy he called war without hate or something. He just seemed like a talent military man who happened to be in the military at the wrong time when the wrong leader came to power. He seems typical LSI, being highly deligent and dutiful and skilled at defense.
Rommel for those not aqquinted with war history is referred to as "the desert fox" for his masterful implementation of tactics in the north africa campaign, he had a string of successes against the allied forces before the nazis were ultimately driven from africa later in the war. His victories caused him to be promoted into the high leadership and then he became responsible for the defenses along the french shore, but was away in paris for some time at critical moments in the pathway to the normandy invasion, also he eventually commited suicide cause ****** suspected him as unloyal, ****** basically said either we'll execute you and proclaim you a traitor and dishonor you, or you can kill yourself and we'll say you died a hero and make sure your family is fine.
Lol nazis are fucking interesting.... I don't support you know their ideals or anything, but the shit that went down among them is like some epic story/history.
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