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    Mkay, I'm going insane. Dual is ignoring me, I got upset and hurt, and called him an alcoholic.

    I felt better for like 5 minutes, then felt the intense wave of guilt I always feel whenever I feel I may have hurt him.

    The guilty feeling intensified over the course of an hour, and I ended up apologizing. I still feel terrible. But still mad at him for ignoring me.

    Are IEIs capable of meanness or am I just not IEI?
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    I dont see your specific comment as outside an IEIs realm at all.
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    In fact, IEI's are often mean.

    But usually in a funny way.
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    lol. Whether they're perceived as mean or not, somewhat depends on intertype. The typical style seems to be one of biting ridicule, which is probably influenced by the fact that the majority of them are E4s.

    I don't consider myself mean.
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    the only person I really consider mean on here is allie. I read a post where she tore into JuJu; it was almost inhumane, I was wtfing and it wasn't even directed at me. her comments in general are kind of appalling.
    <Crispy> what subt doesnt understand is that a healthy reaction to "FUCK YOU" is and not

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    well it was directed at juju so who gives a fuck? and dear god i am not that bad lol
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    LOL thank you to @aisa for linking me to this thread. What a blast from the past.

    OMG... I was such a freaking newb here so embarrassing, so embarrassing...

    this was, however, THE landmark thread that(along with simultaneously receiving maritsa's SEE typing) resulted in me retyping to IEE. Maybe it should have been SEI, as Starfall and others here had suggested. At the time, I was too "offended" by what seemed to be exclusionary behavior, and perhaps led on by the bad stereotypes out there about SEIs, and perhaps oblivious to many aspects of socionics, and perhaps still reeling from the Te-laden hell that was medical residency (literally 1-2 months out) to appreciate myself as that type, or as any sort of relaxed person.

    So, I'd like to apologize to the participants of this thread, who were trying their best to steer me in the right direction, and received nothing but my immature bitchiness. You guys were actually pretty merciful with me
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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    Any apologies to anyone else *ehem* from any other threads who tried to steer you away from ILE self-typing?
    lol sure william, you can have one too... however, I'm forever grateful for the ILE typing because that is ultimately what did steer me in the right direction...even though the giver of that typing continues to disagree vehemently with SEI for me, but that is ok... I'm so flattered anyone would see me as an ILE

    But yes, you were right as well, william.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William View Post
    Why can't you just say mu. Lol I definitely agree with the enneagram 9 for you.

    I see SEI as possible but I'm not completely settled yet for your type. Atm I can see ESE, which would still make us quadramates. Could you talk a bit for why you self-type as SEI now? Is there a reason you chose SEI over ESE, or had you not considered ESE before?
    yeah sure, i still go between the two types (SEI and ESE), but ultimately felt that Te was so obviously a neurosis for me, whereas Ni... not sure...I guess it could be as well, idk, not so obvious in any case. Also, despite my online appearance, I am a fairly quiet person, so the "loud" stereotype of ESEs doesn't quite fit, but then again, some stereotypes around here are o_O.
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    So it was like you just kinda wanted to fit in with the career world and it seemed like you kinda had to be an abusive annoying TE valuer to fit in with American society but u just kinda weren't like that and didn't want people to look down on you or anything for being a SEI caring housewife type? even tho u naturally do it so well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    So it was like you just kinda wanted to fit in with the career world and it seemed like you kinda had to be an abusive annoying TE valuer to fit in with American society but u just kinda weren't like that and didn't want people to look down on you or anything for being a SEI caring housewife type? even tho u naturally do it so well?
    Bnd you're right in a way, except idk that i can say i do "housewife" well...I do enjoy homey stuff a lot, but i often get busy with work, and then when i'm home i just want to vegetate. interestingly, there have been more than a few times during the process i did wish i could just be a housewife...but of course that would mean shackling myself to a man who might become abusive, without a means of escape. I also dont want men seeing me as a "housewife", even if i could potentially entertain the thought of being one. I do enjoy my job a lot, and wouldn't want to give it up if i didn't have to. The aspect of my job that i love most is the helping people part; I do it well, and the people do appreciate it a lot, so I dont think i would even want give that up really -- the hardest part is kind of over anyway (maybe?). Of course if i do get married and have kids, i'd reassess and readjust. Right now i'm single, so who else would i be taking care of, except my patients (and well, my mom who is getting older)? My commitment to my patients (and students if i have any) are really what drives me in my job currently. Right now I dont have any, and it sucks...i need forum to get me through the day...

    Regarding societal Te-expectations though, yes, i think that has affected me a lot, especially that my field often emphasizes Te-based values, and rewards those who excel with that kind of stuff. I've been able to accept not being considered "the best," keeping my ultimate mission in pursuing my field (helping people) in mind, and i'm notorious among everyone i trained with (faculty and co-trainees) for kind of rejecting Te-based pressure when i can (and in some ways have gotten respected more for it). It helps a lot when my "bosses" aren't Te-valuers either.

    I think it's a huge fallacy to think that Te-POLRs (and specifically SEIs) can't take on a career, even in medicine. Actually Filatova's description, specifically says SEIs do well in medicine. MEDICINE. it didn't say nursing. it said MEDICINE. Of course, Filatova is from the former USSR where even women have been seen as capable of a medical career since at least WW2 . Yes, smart and motivated SEIs do exist, and do not have to relegate themselves to being housewives/househusbands. Te=/=intelligence, nor vice versa. Te=/=being able to do well in school, nor vice versa. Beskova specifically writes in her description, SEIs can be very diligent students. A diligent student, who is also at least semi-intelligent, can do anything they set their mind to.

    That's why i think it's blasphemy to associate sociotype with career choice. Do what you love, people!!! Dont let socionics determine that for you!!
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    yeah I kinda used the term 'housewife' as tongue-in-cheek sense of humor thing lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suz View Post
    Are IEIs capable of meanness or am I just not IEI?
    Yes...



    and you have your answer to the second part.

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