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    Default Reconsidering Enneagram Type 5w6

    After researching directional theory, It has become apparent to me that 6 is not as fitting as 5 for me. Let me explain:

    • 5's are withdrawing on the surface and power seeking underneath.

    • 5's feel that they cannot adequately control their environment directly. They withdraw/detach themselves therefore, but harbor a deep desire to have power.

    • 5's withdraw to gain power. In their minds they separate themselves from the outside world to retain a sense of objectivity (which translates into a feeling or power).

    • 5's become observers/investigators. They accumulate knowledge because knowledge/information is basically a form of detached power.

    • 5's compare themselves to others based on intellectual (detached) power. They like to be the most objective, aloof, enigmatic, intelligent person in the room. They want to be the expert. 5's become reserved researching types, who hope that by maintaining uninvolvement in the world along with observation of the world, they will have the more control over situations than others. Putting this knowledge into action is where 8 integration comes in.

    • 5's feel inadequate when someone has more power than them, as with 2's and 8's. 2's like to have emotional and guilt based power, 8's like to have physical and territorial power, 5's like to have observational and intellectual power.



    If all this is true, then I am certainly a 5w6 instead of a 6w5.
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    6 vs 5: Sixes focus much more on motives and intentions. Fives look before they leap emotionally. Sixes don't romanticize isolation and don't have delusions of grandeur like fives do. In contrast to fives, sixes orient themselves towards practical application of knowledge.
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    5 vs 6: Fives are naturally curious types and love knowledge for its own sake. They are oblivious to procedures and policies in power structures. Unlike sixes their first instinct is to intellectualize their emotions.
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    I hate saying this, but yes I romanticize my feelings of isolation and I've always enjoyed imagining myself as a detached god who drifts through space exploring and building worlds.

    And I don't think I've ever had an emotion that I have not anaylzed ruthlessly.
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    well then you might be right.
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    Now I'm right lol!

    So I guess ILE's can be 5w6 and I was being stupid.

    I also do the 5 teleportation thing where I'll be there physically, but not mentally. Kinda odd. People have told me that I do this, but I didn't think it was type related until Krae explained it to me. That's where my doubts started.
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    I've actually been considering 5w6 for myself as well (if that's even possible for ENFp).

    What do you mean by "teleportation thing"? I imagine it being something to the effect "I'm physically in a place, but my head is thinking about lots of things that don't relate to where I am."

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    I disagree with this typing. You lack the detached self-control that 5s exhibit in intellectual settings, instead seeming to get inordinately riled up at discord, blithely promoting intellectual superiority and just generally investing way more energy into proving points than would be expected of any 5 (i.e. debate for a few hours, get angsty, walk, come back, proclaim your being right, etc.). Your style is somewhat similar to the likes of krae and crazedrat, who maintain a general detachment with an underlying reactivity that comes out clearly at specific times. 5s like niffweed, marianorajoy, sarah and cpig are generally emotionally immovable when it comes to debates, seeming to maintain a barrier between themselves and the topic at hand; you, on the other hand, seem easily inclined to throw yourself into arguments with the implicit goal of being right, avoiding being wrong, i.e. losing footing.

    So, outside of behavioral traits that could just as easily manifest in a 5 wing (especially someone with a 4w5 fix), I don't see it.
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    fwiw George Soros is 5w6 so/sx according to my sources
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    I disagree with this typing. You lack the detached self-control that 5s exhibit in intellectual settings, instead seeming to get inordinately riled up at discord, blithely promoting intellectual superiority and just generally investing way more energy into proving points than would be expected of any 5 (i.e. debate for a few hours, get angsty, walk, come back, proclaim your being right, etc.). Your style is somewhat similar to the likes of krae and crazedrat, who maintain a general detachment with an underlying reactivity that comes out clearly at specific times. 5s like niffweed, marianorajoy, sarah and cpig are generally emotionally immovable when it comes to debates, seeming to maintain a barrier between themselves and the topic at hand; you, on the other hand, seem easily inclined to throw yourself into arguments with the implicit goal of being right, avoiding being wrong, i.e. losing footing.

    So, outside of behavioral traits that could just as easily manifest in a 5 wing (especially someone with a 4w5 fix), I don't see it.
    I agree with this, its a really good explanation of the 5.

    However I think when you consider the 5w4 you are introducing a particular element of emotionality (from the 4) into the 5 that works to recharacterize this description slightly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    I agree with this, its a really good explanation of the 5.

    However I think when you consider the 5w4 you are introducing a particular element of emotionality (from the 4) into the 5 that works to recharacterize this description slightly.
    Yeah, it definitely affects it. There's a more personalized, introspective, somewhat bitter attitude to the character; the implicit feeling of alienation is reinforced by a sense of individuality. I tend to think of 5w4s as the pure 'strangers,' given their seeming nonchalant sense of resignation and detached self-absorption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    Yeah, it definitely affects it. There's a more personalized, introspective, somewhat bitter attitude to the character; the implicit feeling of alienation is reinforced by a sense of individuality. I tend to think of 5w4s as the pure 'strangers,' given their seeming nonchalant sense of resignation and detached self-absorption.
    Reasonable enough, but I think that they are only in a narrow sense defined as pure strangers, their resignation is obvious and characterizing on the surface but on the fundamental level they still have all the basic desires of any human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    Reasonable enough, but I think that they are only in a narrow sense defined as pure strangers, their resignation is obvious and characterizing on the surface but on the fundamental level they still have all the basic desires of any human being.
    Well yeah, of course we're speaking in an enneagram context (archetypal characters and such). They don't lack humanity lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchonAlarion View Post
    • 5's are withdrawing on the surface and power seeking underneath.

    • 5's feel that they cannot adequately control their environment directly. They withdraw/detach themselves therefore, but harbor a deep desire to have power.

    • 5's withdraw to gain power. In their minds they separate themselves from the outside world to retain a sense of objectivity (which translates into a feeling or power).

    • 5's become observers/investigators. They accumulate knowledge because knowledge/information is basically a form of detached power.

    • 5's compare themselves to others based on intellectual (detached) power. They like to be the most objective, aloof, enigmatic, intelligent person in the room. They want to be the expert. 5's become reserved researching types, who hope that by maintaining uninvolvement in the world along with observation of the world, they will have the more control over situations than others. Putting this knowledge into action is where 8 integration comes in.

    • 5's feel inadequate when someone has more power than them, as with 2's and 8's. 2's like to have emotional and guilt based power, 8's like to have physical and territorial power, 5's like to have observational and intellectual power.



    If all this is true, then I am certainly a 5w6 instead of a 6w5.



    Yeah, that all sounds like me, although, oddly, I'm EII.

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