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    I just recently started seeing someone that I originally thought was LSI; but after spending more time with him, realized that he is LSE (wishful thinking on my part )
    He told me that he used to be in the military and that he killed 7 people during an operation in Colombia. I asked him what he was thinking as this occurred, and he said that he was only doing his job; though he did tell me that he was slightly depressed for awhile afterwards.
    So I realized that he didn't really get the enormity of his so called "job". Is this related to polr somehow?
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    Wow, that's intense.

    But yeah, from my perspective, Ni PoLR often means being oblivious to the larger context of actions and failing to perceive the hidden implications of things, choosing instead to focus on the apparent and immediate.

    However, I suspect that given the situation, any type could resort to this rationalization. I mean, if you're in a situation where you're forced to kill someone, you're probably going to try to make yourself feel better by searching for simple explanations that might come across as superficial to others. You'd know a lot better than me, but maybe he just doesn't want to think / talk about it?
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    Yeah, I would think talking about it would be somewhat difficult for a male LSE, that would involve alot of and interaction. I just can't imagine being able to separate the bigger picture implications and just doing it because that's what is expected.
    I'm sure any type could resort to this kind of behavior as a coping mechanism like you said, but I would think that an intuitive would ruminate much more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    Yeah, I would think talking about it would be somewhat difficult for a male LSE, that would involve alot of and interaction. I just can't imagine being able to separate the bigger picture implications and just doing it because that's what is expected.
    I'm sure any type could resort to this kind of behavior as a coping mechanism like you said, but I would think that an intuitive would ruminate much more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mercutio View Post
    to someone they don't know?
    No, I'm saying just anyone. I'm sure it would be easier talking that sort of thing over with a close friend or family member.
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    Well, I don't think Ni-PoLR makes you less introspective or less thoughtful or anything like that. Also, if someone is less inclined to consider the bigger implications and meaning of the actions they take, or think about the underlying concept and purpose of what they are doing, that doesn't automatically make them Delta, or sensory. What would differ from type to type is their personal motivation and perspective from which they approach things.

    From what you've told us so far, that guy could be any type, really. I'm not disagreeing with tuturutu that STs are quite likely the predominant club among soldiers etc, but that [+ your info] is far from enough to make a hypothesis about your dude's type, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    ...I asked him what he was thinking as this occurred, and he said that he was only doing his job; though he did tell me that he was slightly depressed for awhile afterwards.
    So I realized that he didn't really get the enormity of his so called "job". Is this related to polr somehow?
    It's related to being a soldier. Being a soldier is related to being a ST. ESTj is one of the STs. ESTj is Ni PoLR. ESFj is Ni PoLR as well.

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    I think that to say something like that requires a great deal of detachment (expecially emotional detachment) and focus specifically on the given task.

    Quote Originally Posted by tuturututu View Post
    It's related to being a soldier. Being a soldier is related to being a ST. ESTj is one of the STs. ESTj is Ni PoLR. ESFj is Ni PoLR as well.
    So I agree with this. It's how soldiers are supposed to answer and think otherwise they wouldn't be able to do there job. If you think too much you die.

    And the psychological damage that's caused by this can last the rest of their lives. Post0Traumatic Stuff and people ending up in psychiatric units when their mind finally allows them to deal with what's happened.

    I think that in that sort of situtation you would need to block out alot of the emotions for a long time after to deal with it properly. Although I'm not entirely sure.

    So highly conditioned training combined with personality. I would think that the comment would most likely be said by an ST type for the above reasons. I also think it's possibly club related rather than Ni POLR related.
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    I don't really think this is related to a lack in . It seems like a more logical approach, so to speak, as in, ignoring the ethical implications to justify logical ones
    Not to say that I think all logical types approach these situations the same way or that ethical types can't live by "the ends justifying the means", rather the argument being made seems to imply a rational viewpoint in order to extinguish his feelings towards what he did
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimosa Pudica View Post
    In what way should he have reacted?
    I wasn't judging him; I was merely pointing out the difference in viewpoints. I would react differently... well first of all I wouldn't even put myself in that position, but I can see how someone of a different psychological disposition would react in that way, that's all.
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    But HOW would an LSI you expected him of being reacted???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    I just recently started seeing someone that I originally thought was LSI; but after spending more time with him, realized that he is LSE (wishful thinking on my part )
    He told me that he used to be in the military and that he killed 7 people during an operation in Colombia. I asked him what he was thinking as this occurred, and he said that he was only doing his job; though he did tell me that he was slightly depressed for awhile afterwards.
    So I realized that he didn't really get the enormity of his so called "job". Is this related to polr somehow?
    no it's a common soldiers reaction.

    just like when you ask them why they go to war and who they fight for, nobody answers their country or their general or their family, they all answer for the guy next to me. And they are not all Fi types. You just can't explain everything in single information element.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio View Post
    A rough arrangement of types by their readiness to kill someone on purpose. It would vary greatly with the circumstances, but as an idea of my observations. They are arranged from the lowest to the highest.

    EII EIE IEE ILI LIE ILE LII SEI SLI IEI ESE LSE SLE SEE ESI LSI
    Interesting. I know an IEE who commited grievous bodily harm resulting in death. IEEs may react very impulsively. I also know an EIE who attempted second-degree murder. Many EIEs are very selfish. I really don't understand why ESI or LSI should be the most murderous types...

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    Highest: SLE, LSE (strongest , weakest )

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    Armies do their best to de-sensitise soldiers to killing, his slight depression from killing is normal for soldiers, indeed he may have nightmares and stuff about it. Even with all the training, people still don't want to kill, but not type related ... if it didn't concern or affect a human being at all they are likely phsycotic.

    Another way to do it is to de-humanise the enemy, whether dehuminise them as people (ie sub human in some fashion) or further distance from killing... it is easier to press a trigger in a plane to kill someone than it is to look them in the eye and pull the trigger.

    Apparently, in wars, many people shoot to miss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinocchio View Post
    Man, I said killing on purpose - cold blood. I know how aggressive IEEs can become when angry but not killing as a job, or something.
    Okay then.

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    You have to check some things about functions... IEI is strong , weak then LSE is strong and weak . See Introduction into Socionics.
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    The strongest functions are base and demonstrative (4-dimensional). The weakest functions are vulnerable and suggestive (1-dimensional).

    Killing people indicates strong . Not killing people indicates weak .
    SLE and LSE both have 4-dimensional and 1-dimensional .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    I just recently started seeing someone that I originally thought was LSI; but after spending more time with him, realized that he is LSE (wishful thinking on my part )
    He told me that he used to be in the military and that he killed 7 people during an operation in Colombia. I asked him what he was thinking as this occurred, and he said that he was only doing his job; though he did tell me that he was slightly depressed for awhile afterwards.
    So I realized that he didn't really get the enormity of his so called "job". Is this related to polr somehow?
    Sounds like my IEE dad with acting. He can get on stage without a care and do whatever. Then afterword he worries about what he did.

    To me, PoLR is a sense of futuristic futility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    I just recently started seeing someone that I originally thought was LSI; but after spending more time with him, realized that he is LSE (wishful thinking on my part )
    He told me that he used to be in the military and that he killed 7 people during an operation in Colombia. I asked him what he was thinking as this occurred, and he said that he was only doing his job; though he did tell me that he was slightly depressed for awhile afterwards.
    So I realized that he didn't really get the enormity of his so called "job". Is this related to polr somehow?
    No. This is an ethical question, not a Socionics one.
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