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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Once one's learned socionics, one cannot return to Neverland.
    I thought this deserved some of its own attention.

    I personally am very glad that I discovered and learned socionics, but I could totally understand why someone would think otherwise. It totally depersonalizes interaction in a way that cannot be reversed. It's like the world just became a lot drier and simpler. I personally like things to be simpler and more easily understood, but it does take the wonder and unknown out of it which could be depressing for some.

    If you could start all over and choose whether or not to learn the theory, would you? Do you think socionics has made your life worse?

    This may have been covered before. If so, I apologize.
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    I would still want to learn the theory. But I would postpone it. Half a lifetime being normal and half a lifetime in the know sounds good to me.

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    Learn more. Don't just learn about socionics... challenge socionics assumptions by asking people to affirm or disaffirm them through their responses.

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    I'd probably choose to learn about the theory in early childhood, assuming that I'd learn then what's available now. That way I'd not only be so much better than I already am, but I feel I'd have a better time understanding the people around me and what about people I like/dislike.

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    I don't really think about socionics in day-to-day interactions. It hasn't ruined my life in the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tcaudilllg View Post
    Learn more. Don't just learn about socionics... challenge socionics assumptions by asking people to affirm or disaffirm them through their responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    I thought this deserved some of its own attention.

    I personally am very glad that I discovered and learned socionics, but I could totally understand why someone would think otherwise. It totally depersonalizes interaction in a way that cannot be reversed. It's like the world just became a lot drier and simpler. I personally like things to be simpler and more easily understood, but it does take the wonder and unknown out of it which could be depressing for some.

    If you could start all over and choose whether or not to learn the theory, would you? Do you think socionics has made your life worse?

    This may have been covered before. If so, I apologize.
    Yes, it puts choice in our hands, and who wants that kind of responsibility where fate can no longer be blamed ?

    And, ahem, the more people learn socionics, the more they will become INTps, because interactions would become "depersonalised" . You know before the event has transpired what the outcomes are going to be.

    I am glad I learnt socionics and that I learnt it in my early twenties and not before, so I have enough data on a pre-socionics and post-socionics world. Therefore, I don't have to accept all that socionics says as true; I have data of my own to verify.

    But the one sad part is, sometimes, even my imagination is modified to suit a socionics reality, and that can kill creativity.
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    all these replies are great and so interesting. There was a thread like this awhile back wherein I was lamenting knowing socionics because it was like eating from the tree of good and evil. Knowing this stuff and experiencing it, you can never go back. However, if I could choose, I'd still wanna know all about it, at as young an age as possible. For some reason, I always choose knowledge and understanding over blissful ignorance. Even though it might not be entirely good for me.
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    The same way learning about biology didn't take away my fascination with the workings of the body, learning socionics hasn't taken away my fascination with people and interrelations. It adds another level of understanding, but there is still plenty to wonder/marvel at imo.

    I kind of like the metaphor of learning socionics as eating from the tree of knowledge - I'm still happily munching away on my fruit

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    It's both.

    You'll always be naive in ways. only the narcissist tries to know everything. However, people soon realize this is absolutely impossible. You become just a brain, with no heart or soul or body. So you will always be childish, you will always be the blind leading the blind in many ways. Human weakness. I don't see an easy way out of this. There really isn't any. No good solution.

    So don't care if you are naive. Don't feel bad. What point is there? Don't apologize for you naive weak little girly fag qualities, cause they never go away. Again, you will always be naive. The price for not being naive, is pure narcissism- and you wouldn't want that. To love is to be naive, to find magic is to be naive, all of those things require childlike naivety and curiosity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    I thought this deserved some of its own attention.

    I personally am very glad that I discovered and learned socionics, but I could totally understand why someone would think otherwise. It totally depersonalizes interaction in a way that cannot be reversed. It's like the world just became a lot drier and simpler. I personally like things to be simpler and more easily understood, but it does take the wonder and unknown out of it which could be depressing for some.
    Nothing could take the mystery out of people for me. The soul (or what-it-is-to-be-human if you prefer) is the most mysterious, wonderful, odd, excellent thing in creation. And then the fact that man is also a "handful of dust"? The two creation stories in Genesis? Nah, we'll never run out of things we don't know about people. And don't even get me started on God. I could spend an eternity and still not know everything about God. [/Catholic theology joke]

    If you could start all over and choose whether or not to learn the theory, would you? Do you think socionics has made your life worse?
    Nope. Socionics hasn't made my life any worse. I still hang out with people that don't fit in my quadra, I just know that I'm hanging out with people who probably aren't in the same quadra as me, and adjust my expectation accordingly. The thing is, I don't adjust my behavior any more than my natural feeling-out of people would otherwise require. Socionics is, to me, a theoretical explanation for a phenomenon that is otherwise observable regardless.

    The same way learning about biology didn't take away my fascination with the workings of the body, learning socionics hasn't taken away my fascination with people and interrelations. It adds another level of understanding, but there is still plenty to wonder/marvel at imo.
    Good comparison. I agree.

    You'll always be naive in ways. only the narcissist tries to know everything.
    Or the promethean. But I guess all prometheans are narcissists (that's the lesson of Frankenstein--the actual book that is, not the stupid monster movies--probably based largely on Mary Shelley's observations of her crazy-ass genius husband).
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    it can be reversed, but only after years of study. And maybe.. maybe not entirely reversed. But I am still hopeful. ;l Basically you have to reject socionics by appreciating the uniqueness of everything. Pretty difficult to do..

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