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    Yes, ESTj is the stereotypical masculine type. This can be frustrating since I'm female. I agree that, logically, ESTjs are much more useful than INFjs. But INFjs have something ESTjs are missing: . My feelings are gererally trapped, which is a good thing, but makes it hard to connect with people. INFjs excel at connecting with people. It's not your efficiency and productivity we want; we've got that covered. We want a person who will do the work of staying close to us so we don't have to put out the extra effort to stay close to you.

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    What means "This dual pair is characterized with certain reticence, isolation from other people (...) and integrity in everything."
    "Who needs the rest of the planet? We've got each other."

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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antigone View Post
    Hi,

    But I doupt this attraction is caused of duality. I am pretty shure EVERY woman would be attracted to them. They are pragmatic (VERY pragmatic. I couldn`t imagine one of them being interested in things like socionics or MBTI), they are very intelligent and ambitious , they are strong and mature and very self-confident leader-natures who WANT TO assume responsibility. They know what they want and what they don`t want and never hesitate to speak it out. They expect respect and they get respect. I admire them.

    Isn`t ESTJ the masculine "stereotype" most women dream of? Or am I only the "stereotype" of prejudices about women?
    I hope somebody smarter answers your other questions...

    but as for "EVERY woman" you should be careful.
    ive met several LSEs in my life. And do you know what is hidden behind that ambition and pragmatism? deep inside they are pussies who decided that they want to be leaders so they just make an image of themselves which isn't real them even in a tiny amount. for this reason in later life they usually need psychological help. and you delta NFs are naturally gifted when it comes to psychology.

    And you are right, they are driven by their wants...and into total stupidity...of course in the middle of the way they usually notice that what they are doing is stupid because of their strong but they still continue doing that cause they can't see any other alternatives how they could turn things and get the same result as they expect. for my own surprise, some of them are lucky and they don't go bankrupt. others not so lucky need INFjs and their to show all the alternatives, but only in the middle of the way. that's why + introversion is the best pack for LSEs. they only need you to talk when they are totally lost. or when they want to use you as a tool for having good relations with other people .

    actually people seem to wear pink glasses when it comes to love interest. I hope I explained everything nicely and took those glasses off of your face.
    Sorry for my English. I am not native.
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    Oh dear... more stereotypes
    EIE tritype 5w4, 4w5, 9w1


    As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being.
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    Duality is in simple words, two people who can exchange information (communicate/talk/etc) in such a way, that it gives them comfort, feeling relaxt, protected, tickled in their mind, trusted, understood, valued, etc. The famous 'chemistry'.

    Duality only starts working in close psychological distance. So if an INFJ watches Arnold Schwarzenegger (ESTJ) on tv, the duality thing doesn't work.

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    Natural authority? ESTjs can kiss my ass.
    Obsequium amicos, veritas odium parit

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Natural authority? ESTjs can kiss my ass.
    that's exactly what i meant!

    there is no real without

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Natural authority? ESTjs can kiss my ass.
    hehe yeah, they are very bossy at times, but when the real boss comes in, they are like little slaves.

    I also know the ESTJ guys were scared shit of an ENFJ girl at our office. Really awesome to see. She was sort of the queen without question

    I do wonder who would win this natural authority contest between ENTJ and ENFJ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    ESTjs can kiss my ass.
    I supervise ESTJ's for breakfast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Natural authority? ESTjs can kiss my ass.
    And you can eat styrofoam. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by sarinana View Post
    that's exactly what i meant!

    there is no such thing as a delta

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    Abbie is so boring and rigid it's awesome instead of boring and rigid. She seems so practical and down-to-the-ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antigone View Post

    @ Sarinana

    "Sorry for my English. I am not native. "

    why do you mock me?
    i am not mocking you. why would you think so?

    Quote Originally Posted by Antigone View Post

    "but as for "EVERY woman" you should be careful. "

    I know "EVERY woman" is exaggerated. But I thought that would transfer my feelings best. The point is that I don`t think it`s attraction caused of duality but a tendence - I think not EVERY woman but VERY MUCH are attracted to such men. Or do you really think it`s caused of duality ???
    its caused mostly by the same quadra values (and good looks, and the level of pheromones).

    Quote Originally Posted by Antigone View Post
    But this 3 men i wrote about (only 3!!) are REALLY self-confident in a naturally way. They are not brash and loud, rather sovereign. One of the 3 men was my teacher.
    You value confidence which I don't value so we shouldn't discuss this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Antigone View Post
    The once teacher who never had problems with loud students in the classroom. Everyone was quiet, nobody had the heard to talk to his/her neighbour, although this teacher talked friendly, made jokes and seemed to be sovereign. You only felt it would better to be quiet.
    you should meet my LSE mom too probably.

    Quote Originally Posted by Antigone View Post
    It was his presence, his NATURAL authority.
    are you sure he is LSE?

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    I don`t know what kind of "ESTJ" YOU mean, but I only knew these 3 (maybe because I don`t know anything about socionics, or because I don`t know much people) and this 3 men seem very close to their inner self (closer than I am).
    maybe. but don't worry i am no better than you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Antigone View Post
    You are shaking my little socionic-world at the moment. I thought such "fakers" doesn`t fit into the description of ESTJ. Well, of course, the types are tendencies. If you tested ESTJ that doesn`t mean you are the embodiment of ESTJ-description. But this 3 guys COINCIDENTAL are! And I COINCIDENTAL am attracted to them. Duality or not???

    As I said different quadra values here. What may seem real to you it may seem fake to somebody out of different quadra.

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    What silverchris9 posted about duality and LSE+EII was spot-on

    In terms of "all women" being attracted to LSE's men, I honestly don't know. I would think because they have certain qualities that are expected in men that women *think* they should be with someone like that, but of course that doesn't always work in the long run. They tend to have a lot of qualities that can be rather bothersome to some types; restless/nervous demeanor, often temperamental, workaholic tendencies, can be overly dry/boring/serious, etc.
    They're also not particularly romantic or emotionally open in the typical sense, which I imagine would come off as not caring to some women.
    Also, I think that to a woman who is rather independent an LSE will come across as annoyingly demeaning

    Duality is not a utopia, as in, you can't expect to meet a dual and live happily ever after. You have to have other things connecting you two, like shared values/beliefs, mutual respect and attraction, matching goals (i.e. marriage, kids, no-kids, etc)

    One last question: What means "This dual pair is characterized with certain reticence, isolation from other people (...) and integrity in everything."
    It means an inclination to spend more time with one another than with other people. Although I don't know how true this is for all LSE's and EII's....
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    maybe its because stereotypical male is described like LSE
    and stereotypical female like IEI
    conflictors

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    Where do you get these stereotypical descriptions? I was looking in the library and no luck on the subject.

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