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    What information elements is guessing what's going to happen irl or in a movie/book related to? The obvious answer is Ni, but are there other information elements that could lead people to the same conclusions? Are there types other than Ni egos who are generally good at this?

    And what about recognizing patterns in people's behavior and ways of thinking? Obviously this has to be in introverted function (field). Can it be anything other than Ni though?
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    This is why I hate watching TV, because it's too obvious to me what they are going to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    This is why I hate watching TV, because it's too obvious to me what they are going to do.
    I still enjoy TV shows/movies even if I know what's going to happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Huginn View Post
    I suppose it depends on whether the predictive power comes from attention to detail, imagination, or simply awareness of tropes (in which case the IME is tvtropes.org).
    In my case, it generally comes from analyzing why an author/writer would choose to include a certain scene/shot or present information in a certain way. I decide that it is likely foreshadowing or otherwise setting up the plot for certain events to occur or be revealed later.

    Usually Ti, I think. For example, in Cracow Rick said that that Fe-ego, especially Fe-leading types, can have the hardest time typing themselves and possibly even have an entirely different conception of their personality each day because while they are aware of their own behaviour they are not always able to see the "pattern" (the structure of their personality I guess) -- but they are quite receptive to the structuring influence of Ti types.
    I've had a hard time typing myself for the opposite reason. I have poor self-awareness. I believe in my case that it's related to weak Fi.

    Part of the interaction of Fe/Ti is that Fe-leading types can accumulate quite a lot of information, and are typically quite good at communicating the information, but without a structuring influence (be it tools, such as training in formal logic, or a Ti-leading type) may have something akin to an unsolved jigsaw puzzle.
    What about Fe and Ti creative types?
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    The reason I ask this is because I've always been good with this and have attributed it to Ni. Example from last night:

    My family celebrated Christmas last night, and towards the beginning of the time we were exchanging presents, my sister asked my mom where the gift for me and Peter was. She said that they had it somewhere. Since my sister knew that none of the normal sized gifts under the tree was it, I assumed that it had an unusual shape or size. I didn't think much of it though or wonder where it was.

    After all the gifts had been unwrapped, my mom said that Peter and I were going to have to look for our gift. I stood up and was going to start glancing around the room when I noticed that the small Christmas tree that the gifts had been under was set up on a box with a blanket over it. I pointed to the box. My mom laughed and was somewhat disappointed that I knew where it was immediately. She had been hoping that we'd search high and low, only to eventually discover that the gift had been with the other presents all along. "But what is it?" she asked as I walked over to it. "A microwave," I said without hesitation as I lifted the blanket to reveal that it was indeed a microwave.

    She was shocked at this as well and wondered how I could have possibly known. I think at this point she suspected that I had somehow discovered it earlier in the day or been told by someone. To me it was obvious. The box was the right size and shape, and a microwave would fit in the price range of the gifts my parents had gotten for my siblings. Also, when my sister had asked what I wanted for Christmas, I had told her that I wanted a toaster, a blender, or a microwave (as mine are beginning to wear out).

    Anyways, most of the people in the room seemed shocked/impressed by my quick answers. But again, to me it seemed completely obvious. (Wouldn't anyone have noticed these things?) What information element or elements was I using?

    (Obviously I wasn't so much "guessing what was going to happen" but rather recognizing what was already there. In the past I would have attributed this to Ni though, hence the topic.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    The reason I ask this is because I've always been good with this and have attributed it to Ni. Example from last night:

    My family celebrated Christmas last night, and towards the beginning of the time we were exchanging presents, my sister asked my mom where the gift for me and Peter was. She said that they had it somewhere. Since my sister knew that none of the normal sized gifts under the tree was it, I assumed that it had an unusual shape or size. I didn't think much of it though or wonder where it was.

    After all the gifts had been unwrapped, my mom said that Peter and I were going to have to look for our gift. I stood up and was going to start glancing around the room when I noticed that the small Christmas tree that the gifts had been under was set up on a box with a blanket over it. I pointed to the box. My mom laughed and was somewhat disappointed that I knew where it was immediately. She had been hoping that we'd search high and low, only to eventually discover that the gift had been with the other presents all along. "But what is it?" she asked as I walked over to it. "A microwave," I said without hesitation as I lifted the blanket to reveal that it was indeed a microwave.

    She was shocked at this as well and wondered how I could have possibly known. I think at this point she suspected that I had somehow discovered it earlier in the day or been told by someone. To me it was obvious. The box was the right size and shape, and a microwave would fit in the price range of the gifts my parents had gotten for my siblings. Also, when my sister had asked what I wanted for Christmas, I had told her that I wanted a toaster, a blender, or a microwave (as mine are beginning to wear out).

    Anyways, most of the people in the room seemed shocked/impressed by my quick answers. But again, to me it seemed completely obvious. (Wouldn't anyone have noticed these things?) What information element or elements was I using?

    (Obviously I wasn't so much "guessing what was going to happen" but rather recognizing what was already there. In the past I would have attributed this to Ni though, hence the topic.)
    Sounds like Ti to me. You deduced the answers using logical reasoning.
    I think people using Ni usually can't completely put into words how they knew of something. I think Ni is more useful for abstract things, such as using patterns/observations to predict how someone is going to act or how someone feels about something/someone, what someone is thinking, probable consequences of some action, etc.

    And yes, Jarno, you're right. Ni-users dont guess. We KNOW.
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    Ni users know what's going to happen after 2012 ?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    Ni users know what's going to happen after 2012 ?
    2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    2013
    Wow. That really hit me where it hurts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    What information elements is guessing what's going to happen irl or in a movie/book related to?
    All types do this. Maybe Ni people the least, since it comes naturally to them, they aren't afraid of the future, so they don't go guessing about it constantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    All types do this. Maybe Ni people the least, since it comes naturally to them, they aren't afraid of the future, so they don't go guessing about it constantly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarno View Post
    All types do this. Maybe Ni people the least, since it comes naturally to them, they aren't afraid of the future, so they don't go guessing about it constantly.
    Seconded. I know Ni seeking who do this all the time, and Ni-PoLR types who ask these kinds of questions much more than I might. Basically, everyone does it much more than I do, or Ni types do. Respectively.

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