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    I have held for a long time that there is something to be gained by studying functions and their activity in the human psyche in pairs. Personally I do not believe that any one function manifests in a person, either by way of type or individual instance, without being paired with another. The pairing is what brings the functions into focus, allows them to see one side of things, to make information "tangible" to the brain instead of being just raw perception, which is impossible to process; combination refines perception and makes it useful to us.

    I believe there is a great deal of insight into the types to be gained by studying this with its relevance to Model A, and I think a lot of how different types utilize and experience the functions can be explained by looking at how functional pairing relates to the Socionic psyche.

    I'll throw one example out there that strrrng and I discussed.

    Let's look at usage of Si in IEI and EIE. In both types, the most easily accessible form of Si is Si blocked with Fe; Fe is a strong, native function for both types, meaning that anything paired with it is going to be consciously accessible with some ease, whether it is preferable or not.

    Now, looking at both of these type's natural functional makeup, we can glean two things immediatly.

    For IEIs, Ni being their base, any use of Si is going to be somewhat "undermining" to their natural state; Ni and Si are both IP functions, and since Ni is IEI's dominant function, it is going to be a bother or a nuissance, most likely, to pay any attention toSi, because it takes them directly out of what they most want to focus on. However, they have moderately strong Si, it being their role function and thus the same temperament as their base, so while it may be a bother, it's not something they usually have a hard time with; more they would just rather not pay attention to it in a very general sense. Role functions serve mostly as a "tool," something we can make use of when we feel like we must, but we are not exceptionally confident in, and prefer to avoid using whenever possible.

    For EIEs, with Fe base, use of Si is, while unnatural and not preferred, also not much trouble at all, because it does not undermine their natural base; indeed, with practice, it can be highly commensurate. Being Ni creative, they are accustomed to bending their second function to their will and using it with impunity, and thus they will likely try to do the same with whatever "takes its place" in the pairing shift to Si: use it in service of Fe. However, given that Si is their weakest function, they are likely to be either reckless or clumsy in its usage, to over- or under-do just about everything related to it; they will likely try hard, but not yield exceptional results, and thus become extremely frustrated. In this way, PoLRs are often probably our greatest source of frustration: we can see, on a preconscious level, that we have potential interest in it, that it "should" be something we exercise control over because of the natural pairing with our dominant function and similar use to our creative function, but we are thwarted at every turn, and not likely to develop or maintain any serious investment in making use of it in our daily lives.
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    Ok, I understand that is a function that is weak yet conscious in an EIE's psyche; but what I don't get is how this manifests itself in everyday life. I have no clue as to whether I overdo it or ignore it. From what I gather, it has to do with perceptions of sensations between objects, but what does this mean exactly? Can someone please give real life examples of this instead of abstractions that don't really give me a full understanding of this function as it pertains to a polr weakness.
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    Yeah.. it can be useful to describe functions in isolation (attributing something to a "Fe PoLR" or something of that nature), but it seems like the most beneficial descriptions are those that combine functions. Wikisocion's type descriptions often group functions together, as do the descriptions of what each quadra demonstrates and devalues. It seems to make for a better understanding overall; functions don't work alone, and their interaction is greater than the sum of their descriptions.

    For more examples of functions' interactions, do you think that some of the wikisocion quadra "Dominant elements" and "Subdued elements" categories (e.g. Delta) are accurate, or are there better descriptions of how they play together?


    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    Ok, I understand that is a function that is weak yet conscious in an EIE's psyche; but what I don't get is how this manifests itself in everyday life. I have no clue as to whether I overdo it or ignore it. From what I gather, it has to do with perceptions of sensations between objects, but what does this mean exactly? Can someone please give real life examples of this instead of abstractions that don't really give me a full understanding of this function as it pertains to a polr weakness.
    Have you looked through the Si PoLR thread? It might help your understanding.
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    No, that thread doesn't real help all that much; it helps in some aspects; but certainly isn't just about enjoying cooking and sports. I'm wondering how it manifests in most areas of life; like what would be a good example of a polr hit other than someone criticizing you about not being a good cook, that wouldn't really bother me; their must be better examples of how it would be truly painful if brought to your attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    Si-PoLR is more about an unawareness of personal sensations. How sensations affect themselves and others. Si-PoLRs are bad at measuring quality of how the senses affect themselves. They may tend towards enjoying overly strong or bland tastes. They may equate intensity of sensation with quality when dealing with the senses. They typically have little desire to indulge in the senses for periods of time and become impatient. Not very good at knowing what looks 'good' and may have insecurities about how good they look almost always taking criticism personally if brought up by others.
    my 2 cents on Si-PoLR.

    Si blocked with Te in the ego is essentially empirical thinking to it's max. All things which cannot be directly observed are looked at with skepticism. The senses affect a person's line of objective thought.

    Si blocked with Fe in the ego is more in line with sensual indulgence. The senses affect a person's emotional state. Good tastes and physical atmosphere are essential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    my 2 cents on Si-PoLR.

    Si blocked with Te in the ego is essentially empirical thinking to it's max. All things which cannot be directly observed are looked at with skepticism. The senses affect a person's line of objective thought.

    Si blocked with Fe in the ego is more in line with sensual indulgence. The senses affect a person's emotional state. Good tastes and physical atmosphere are essential.
    This gives me a better picture of what it would be like as an ESE; thank you Azeroffs, you always explain things in a clear cut fashion which I appreciate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Morcheeba View Post
    This gives me a better picture of what it would be like as an ESE; thank you Azeroffs, you always explain things in a clear cut fashion which I appreciate.
    Yeah, no problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    I have held for a long time that there is something to be gained by studying functions and their activity in the human psyche in pairs. Personally I do not believe that any one function manifests in a person, either by way of type or individual instance, without being paired with another. The pairing is what brings the functions into focus, allows them to see one side of things, to make information "tangible" to the brain instead of being just raw perception, which is impossible to process; combination refines perception and makes it useful to us.

    I believe there is a great deal of insight into the types to be gained by studying this with its relevance to Model A, and I think a lot of how different types utilize and experience the functions can be explained by looking at how functional pairing relates to the Socionic psyche.
    I think the idea you are discussing is also covered by the + and - representations of functions. Though that paradigm looks at the creative function to determine the +/- categorisation. However, the creative is what determines the PoLR. Even though it is the first function that takes the hit in a PoLR attack.

    Also, my observation has been that the creative modifies the use of the first function. Or, maybe this is just the quadra values that come to the fore (in which case the sixth function/HA would also be equally relevant).


    Quote Originally Posted by Azeroffs View Post
    my 2 cents on Si-PoLR.

    Si blocked with Te in the ego is essentially empirical thinking to it's max. All things which cannot be directly observed are looked at with skepticism. The senses affect a person's line of objective thought.

    Si blocked with Fe in the ego is more in line with sensual indulgence. The senses affect a person's emotional state. Good tastes and physical atmosphere are essential.
    I particularly like that line. Just replacing senses with imagination . It is a surprise Gamma NTs don't have nervous breakdowns.

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