I've been wondering this. Is this truly an impossible combination?
Is it impossible for an ILE to be a 5?
I've been wondering this. Is this truly an impossible combination?
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The user Hkkmr here is an ENTp-Ti, he self type himself on Ennegaram as a 5. But I personally don't think he is a 5.
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Originally Posted by Jarno
Impossible? I want to say yes.
I find it unlikely that any type other than Ni or Ti base could be a 5. It's definitely possible to have 5 in your trifix though.
Ne-base focuses strongly on potentials and usually feel the need for new experiences and are almost stereotypically 7s or 6s. 5s especially 5w4, are very content within their own heads for long periods of time.
ISTp's can be 5's methinks.
I'm content with being in my head for long periods of time, but you'd need to elaborate.
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Impossible is a bit strong, there is no well established link between enneagram types and socionics.
However there is really one main problem you encounter when considering an ENTp 5. A major theme of the 5 is being more isolated, eccentric, and well frankly like a hermit who spends more time in there own head than in the outside world. The behavior of an ENTp is more in line with that of an extrovert, so this is probably the greatest conflict that leads to making it unlikely that ENTp's can be 5.
Impossible however is unlikely, there are so many arguments one could make for or against an ENTp 5 that its mindboggling. Also enneagram and socionics don't have a widely accepted translation, partly because there derived from different ideas. Its not just like trying to translate spanish into english or classical music into jazz... its like trying to translate jazz into english... they aren't just two different languages to express personality... they are two different methods to express personality.
Well said.
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Most ILEs I know are 7s or 6s, but that doesn't mean there aren't any 5s (I might know one and not even know it).
Einstein is a famous example of an ILE 5w4. I think that's why a lot of people challenge his type, because being a 5 is not really in line with the concept of what an ILE is, as HLD said. I think the main conflict lies in the fact that 5s have an astounding ability to focus, while ILEs are known to have an incredible lack of focus.
That's probably why some people might think I'm a different enneatype, because being a 3w2 is really not in line with the concept of what an LII is (but few question my sociotype). I know of at least 3 others with the same type combination as me IRL.
I don't like the idea of there being a "rare" combination of E and S types though. If you can find one, you can find more.
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Yes, the behavior of an ENTp is more in line with an extrovert.
What happens when one's Enneatype and Socionics type don't mesh is a lot of internal conflict.
As a (probable) ILE 3w2, I think that perhaps(role), rather than
, "dominated" my personality when I was younger. I was miserable since I could never live up to my own expectations, though, as I've said in another thread, I was more dutiful and organized than I am now. I was also going against my "true" nature.
Yeah. I'd liken Socionics and Enneagram to two flashlights, shining on the same unknown object from different angles. They can certainly cast different shadows.
From my understanding, Enneagram is more about internal motivations and fulfilment, where Socionics describes the psyche. They can conflict.
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I think it's different with LII being E3. If an LII is going to be a heart triad type, what type do you think they're going to be? Most likely 3, probably 3w2, and behold, there you are!
An E5 ILE is like an E7 LII. Doesn't really make sense, but it's hard to say it's impossible. I suppose if an extroverted type was going to be E5, it would be ENTx.
woohoo! I made it! But yea I get what you mean, the 3-6-9 types are all over the place. Especially 3s (as you well know).
Some famous non-INTx 5s:An E5 ILE is like an E7 LII. Doesn't really make sense, but it's hard to say it's impossible. I suppose if an extroverted type was going to be E5, it would be ENTx.
Bill Gates (ENTj)
Gillian Anderson (ESTj)
Steven Hawking (ENTp)
I think an old friend of mine might have been a ESTj 5w6, but I can't be sure. I'm sure that he was ESTj though.
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5 is a ti-ish type so while an extrovert 5 would be rarer, it is still possible. There is also the fact that 5 disintegrates to 7, 7 integrates to 5, and 7 is very possible with ILE. These types are different, but the path could cause some waffling between the types, or the connection between being a 5 and a ne-dom.
The core fear/motivation of 5s is compatible with ILE imo, and that is an important part of a type meshing with a person. There are definitely weirder combinations out there. A withdrawn ne base is possible, so that is where it would ad up.
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yeah imo ILE, ILI & LII are the most likely type 5s. @COVID 007 is imo 5w4 idiosyncratic ILE
I don't think ILE and five is that likely - but it certainly is possible.
ILI and LII seem alot more common.
5 is introvert, ILE is extrovert, you do the maths
By that logic Einstein must be LII Ne subtype and COVID 007 as well. But yeah, the whole point of 5 is withdrawal and castle-like isolation inside their heads. Information as a means to defense against the outside world.
Oh. Estuff is like I'm between 5 and 7. I do not identity with 5 motivations as mine are much closer to 7 within 5 framework.
And also being totally myself. Actually if we used this being effin true andstanding out I'd be actually 4.
Enneagram lacks something what I would call multiperspective.
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e_e that means you are not a 5 then. Descriptions kinda suck, but the core motivations are really what counts.
Yeah. It is like I compulsively search new ways to be 5. It is not about mastery but being Jack of all trades master of... spreading interests all over the place.
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Anyway idiosyncratic tendency means blend of temperaments in 4 humors.
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Yeah, COVID just said he doesen't agree with the core 5 motivations, so even if he seems 5-ish, that makes him not a 5.
A lot of the self identified type 5s I have seen have been MBTI INTJs:
..even tho some of them seem more or less animated which makes me question their type tbh.
Dunno if he's a five or not tbh, I don't see LII in him though, lol, based on his posts.
I have seen him goof around on camera. ILE fits imo.
Agreed, yeah.
Haven't seen him on camera, just his posts though, and he's been posting a while. He seems to use Ti in a flexible way to back up his ideas.
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Yeah so thats Ti
Possible , mostly 5 So
But first check that you are not a 7 So
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YES.
It is possible for even ILE-Ne to be e5.
ILE 6, 7, even 8 is more common.
But it's not because it's an unlikely combination that it doesn't occur much.
It's rare because e5 in general is very rare. e5 with any type will be the more atypical case. Most ILIs/LIIs are 6's and 9's, not 5's.
I don't think they're necessarily " rare " , it's just that they're pretty good at hiding themselves in order to be protected from outside world, so , regardless of how common/rare they're , they will be difficult to be found
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I think you're right, but also that the act of hiding from the world is more of a 9 thing. 9's are in touch with the world and therefore need to hide. 5's on the other hand start out already out of touch, apart. Same case for 4.
The few 5's and 4's I've encountered are very obviously their type. 9's are the ones who blend into a cloud of vagueness.
i associate 5 with Se. id call it pretty difficult, but to say its never happened is unrealistic.
i would say LII is more unlikely, given Se is the Achilles function.
The reason i associate 5 with Se is because Se deals in the taking and protecting. It fits with the 5s theme of stinginess and withholding. Also, Ne is very not Five, Fives hate surprises and randomness.
But because enneagram is environmentally influenced, I can't say its absolutely 100 percent impossible, it would depend on what the message was as a child.
Probably yes. Ne-base contradicts the retentiveness of E5. Therefore, I doubt it is possible.
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Not impossible. Personality exists on gradients within people. ILE-Ti, for example, is a more introverted gradient of ILE, more likely to be detached and want to analyze the world in order to protect themselves and reconnect in a secure way.
Ne with Ti, rather than Fi, also means more problems with "feeling" and less connection with people than a feeling type. Ne in ILE is also more analytical and its extroversion is more in line with innovating and seeking opportunities without a lot of oversight or involvement with other people (so detachment in relations). Also because they don't value Se, but rather Ne, connecting with the world is harder and will lead to more problems. A 5 desire to connect with the world through an abstract element and not a concrete one, such as Se, is harder to manage and make happen. But it will be a desire or goal to reconnect on terms that match their ego desires.
edit: I'd wager though that if an ILE says they are 5, they probably also have 9 somewhere in their tritype because their quadra doesn't value Se. Tritype probably paints a more complete picture of the differences in quadras imo.
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