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    So here me out on this one, I've been reading up a bunch on classical music, specifically that its "dead" or "boring" or "old"....

    I went into google and typed "classical music is" and saw the most popular results....

    Among them were Dead, Boring, Old, Dying, Good for You, and Something about babies being smart.

    The two viewpoint most commonly taken up about this genre of music are...
    1) Its dead, boring, old, dying - like something not full of life or enthusiasm
    2) Its something you should listen to because its good for you and will make you smart

    I once asked someone about what they thought of every type of music, and they said they enjoyed everything but classical music, when I asked them what came to mind with classical music they said "flight of the bumblebee"... it made me laugh cause I pictured people cruising around in their cars jamming out to flight of the bumblebee....

    At any rate, why is classical music so loathed? Why is it the soundtrack for old people and embodies lifelesness or is considered something akin to raw vegetables - something that tastes bad but you should eat because its good for you.

    How did it get to be that way? Is classical music really dead or are people dead to classical music?

    Consider that it practically paints the portrait for every scene in movies. The music for Star Wars for example is a well known cultural icon and is essentially just classical music. Also why did people invent lifeless music, surely there was enthusiasm for the music when it was created first.

    For this reason I think its much more likely that people are dead to classical music. And no I don't want to force everyone in the world to listen to classical music now to make sure they appreciate the masterpeices of classical music - honestly I could care less what people listen to, I just find it sad that people become deaf to old forms of music, honestly I find some classical music to be much more profound and beautiful than fucking miley cyrus britney spears commercialized bullshit that is all about bouncing around all happy go lucky and getting fucked because you are so sexy. More on this later, but for now I'd like to elaborate on being "Dead to classical music".

    Basically I think that people don't understand what language the music is speaking. Its like people are expecting to be spoken to in ebonics but instead you are getting spoken to in shakesperian english and your confused. Instead of actually attempting to understand what is being conveyed by the language you roll back and resort to simply listen to how the language sounds but not what it says. You think "Oh wow this old english guy sounds like he is from 500 yrs in the past, he all old and proper and stuck up". That what people get when they hear classical music, they get "OH wow people walking around in formal wear and tophats, and a bunch of old proper stuff".

    I read that one person said classical music is old and non-creative, its nothing new or fresh -- that didn't make sense to me though because if your listening to a classical song for the first time its obviously new to you.

    Anyways the point of this is all isn't that I want to fight the progression of culture or that I want to impose my opinions on people "You should listen to this masterpeice instead of that pop crap you whippersnappers listen to"... its just that I find it disturbing that people can't reach back to a different time era and connect with the actual message of art created by another human being expressing something profound and creative because they are too focused on the surface details and cheap entertainment and thrills. No wait its not even the fact they are immune to art, its the fact that they openly diss it as if it were crap and treat it like old rusty trash; people would rather throw away an old functional tool for one that doesn't work but looks cool.

    I am not a huge classical buff - I listen to a wide variety of music, but I really like a certain number of classical songs and soundtrack tunes in addition to more "typical" modern music and I've always been embarassed it will make me look old/lame for listening to it because of this stereotype, I feel classical music gets a label it doesn't deserve, people shouldn't be so critical and just enjoy music, attempt to listen to what its trying to say. Like in certain peices of beethoven I always get this extremely powerful dark feeling of cynical/anger/frustration/dread contrasted with a certain playful like joyful child innocence that goes back and forth, its an entire narrative between the two contrasting feelings that eventually gets resolved by the end of the peice, and it makes me think that was perhaps who we has and what his life was like, the feelings he experienced.... to most people its simply boring uncreative elevator music that embodies livelessness thats only use is to look more sophsticated/pretenious or to attempt to turn your child into a prodigy thus garunteeing that everyone will be sure to hate the music for being the soundtrack for snobbery and parential pressures. My antagonistic side says that people dislike it because it requires reflection/concentration to understand it.

    Blah anyways I am rambling here..... if you find this interesting, agree, disagree, or have other thoughts please comment.

    Sorry if you feel like this is a huge rambling rant waste of your time, but I just want to get other peoples opinions on this, surely someone can serve up an opinion for better or worse.

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    Classical/Baroque/Romantic/etc music is seen as boring and dull today because most of the music today has an emphasis on rhythm and repetition as opposed to melody. 18th/19th century concert music is much less 'primal' I suppose, in that there's no real physical interaction with the music, whereas modern culture is so Africanized that its music needs some sort of raw energy in order to be capitvating.

    As for people who believe "classical music making you smart," they have no idea what they're talking about. They're associating high art with intelligence and failing to realize that correlation is not causality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arctures View Post
    Classical/Baroque/Romantic/etc music is seen as boring and dull today because most of the music today has an emphasis on rhythm and repetition as opposed to melody. 18th/19th century concert music is much less 'primal' I suppose, in that there's no real physical interaction with the music, whereas modern culture is so Africanized that its music needs some sort of raw energy in order to be capitvating.

    As for people who believe "classical music making you smart," they have no idea what they're talking about. They're associating high art with intelligence and failing to realize that correlation is not causality.
    See I don't know about that, classical music has rhythm but its harder to catch than modern music.

    Anyways you are correct about beats, most modern music has its appeal in a strong beat, good lyrics, and a catchy melody/chords... its appeal is different. Thats why I say its a different language.

    Also people that say classical music is making you smart is just stupid, our society is obsessed with finding little routines to make us smarter, stronger, faster, better.... people should just find what they like and are good at and do that instead of try to make them something they aren't and something they don't care about. Intelligence comes from being passionate about intellectual pursuits, and thats pretty much it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    How did it get to be that way? Is classical music really dead or are people dead to classical music?
    The latter. Classical music is no more dead than Shakespeare or Charles Dickens or Walt Whitman. People ignore the classics because of the big counter-cultural thing where absolutely anything old was classified as "bad" and associated with uncool parents. Hopefully people will get over that soon, because classical music is awesome.

    Beethoven's music is absolutely drenched in Fe. It IS Fe.
    Not a rule, just a trend.

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    Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    The latter. Classical music is no more dead than Shakespeare or Charles Dickens or Walt Whitman. People ignore the classics because of the big counter-cultural thing where absolutely anything old was classified as "bad" and associated with uncool parents. Hopefully people will get over that soon, because classical music is awesome.

    Beethoven's music is absolutely drenched in Fe. It IS Fe.
    Amen brother, and like I said I don't want to be counter-counter-cultural.... I just want to feel like I have a right to enjoy the classics without being ostracized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverchris9 View Post
    The latter. Classical music is no more dead than Shakespeare or Charles Dickens or Walt Whitman. People ignore the classics because of the big counter-cultural thing where absolutely anything old was classified as "bad" and associated with uncool parents. Hopefully people will get over that soon, because classical music is awesome.

    Beethoven's music is absolutely drenched in Fe. It IS Fe.
    I feel this as well.

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    I find more people making fun of me for liking pop music designed for teenage girls (Miley Cyrus), than people ripping on others for their love of classical music. I think you're talking about some adolescent thing that most people grow out of.

    Even as an adolescent, I never liked black music about fucking. It was just so banal to me. I do like songs about general romance, all 52634985892658965891265198519856129087429018472904 25629187 of them.

    *sigh* Love is great.

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    I listen to video game music sometimes. like FF7 music. It's actually pretty good stuff. That and hitta got me listening to beethoven. Other composers are too snobby for me to get into, of the one's I've heard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    I find more people making fun of me for liking pop music designed for teenage girls (Miley Cyrus), than people ripping on others for their love of classical music. I think you're talking about some adolescent thing that most people grow out of.

    Even as an adolescent, I never liked black music about fucking. It was just so banal to me. I do like songs about general romance, all 52634985892658965891265198519856129087429018472904 25629187 of them.

    *sigh* Love is great.
    True... you've got it worse in this regard; so your ability to carry on with pride for your miley cyrus pop music in spite of harsh criticism will be an inspiration to me.... I will light a candle every night this week in commemeration for your strength, and if by the seventh night the moon sets in the west I'll mold the candle wax into a miley cyrus idol which I'll carry to remind me of your courage brave warrior, until someone messes with me then I'll melt the candle wax and pour it down their mouth while they are asleep and when they wake up with candle wax in their mouth I'll ask them "What did you have to say about my music". OR maybe I won't, depends on my mood. Love is great, awkward transition but you get the point ad infintum. etc. amen. lets eat. and so forth
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    Is romantic music okay too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Galen View Post
    Is romantic music okay too?
    Sure. As long as it's in the classical style. If you're not sure just post it.

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    I'm in Baroque mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wacey View Post
    This was MESMERIZING...

    Perfection!!!
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