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    I have been thinking about this. I think "bossiness" does differ from person to person. What is bossy to one person, may not come across as bossy to another. So I'm not sure if "bossiness" can be truly type related asides from what people define as their version of bossiness.

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    ESTJ are pretty darn bossy so can ISTJ be pretty darn aggressive and like a bull in a china shop
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    not even my role Se is bossy, more along the lines of "I like my independence, fuck off and never ever tell me wtf to do again "

    Bossiness is clumsy imo. Se base are natural leaders, not bosses.

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    Stereotypically, Te leads are bossy. People who tell you to do things to achieve some (Se or Ne HA) means, without sugar coating it. Followed by Fe leads.

    Se leads have Te or Fe HA. We want to show our own competence in some practical or social way usually, so we are more likely to focus on looking competent ourselves, rather than making others do things for us.

    I don’t try to involve people in group projects. I just look good and do things well, until people come up to me and ask me how I do it. Then I can charge them to be taught lol.

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    I can be bossy around certain people, it varies.
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    Last edited by Aramas; 06-28-2020 at 02:46 AM.

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    I still think the original critique holds. It's not that Se-egos can never be bossy, just that the way they use Se isn't as imposing as some make it out to be. To me, whatever "force" they express always seems like a reaction to their environment, like they're just trying to establish boundaries, not really dominate anything. And this isn't to say that all LSEs are bossy or whatever—as someone mentioned, Ni-EJs can exhibit it quite a bit as well. But from my Se-seeking pov, it's when it is somewhere outside the ego block that it gets more distorted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    I still think the original critique holds. It's not that Se-egos can never be bossy, just that the way they use Se isn't as imposing as some make it out to be. To me, whatever "force" they express always seems like a reaction to their environment, like they're just trying to establish boundaries, not really dominate anything.
    Interesting, that's also what I felt. I don't think Se-egos are bossy or like giving orders but from a Si-valuing point of view they can come off as overbearing, because their reaction to the environment feels disproportionate and can be misdirected, which breaks the Si flow of things. Example, from when I was taking driving classes:

    Me: Misjudges the distance to the opposite lane, drifts towards it and risks to hit cars coming from the opposite direction
    SLE driving instructor: Grabs steering wheel What the fuck man, be careful!! You wanna die or what?!

    VS

    Me: same
    SLI driving inspector: flinches Stay on the right and keep your eyes on the road pls

    Notice that the SLI can come off as bossy in this example, but he didn't powerfully take control and make me feel uselessly stressed or make this personal. He actually let me correct my behaviour by myself, Se-wise. On the other hand, Se-doms always treat as if I was blind, deaf and an uncoordinated mess the moment I make one error.... basically they treat me as a Ni-dom lol

    Bossy people are often those who have low dimensional Se and Te in my experience. Many NFs are some of the most bossy people I know.
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