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    Here is one of the best examples of the beta mentality I've seen:

    LaVeyan Satanism - Wikipedia


    On a micro-scale I agree with pretty much everything, but from a wider perspective it has major flaws. This illustrates the analytical vs synthetical postulates of the opposite quadras beta and delta (more on that later).
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    yeah it is. Good for understanding Beta vs Delta aristocracy. Beta is like small cliqueish subversive factions and Delta is a more outwardly, formal, and traditional climate.
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    Not at all; Beta is the least individualistic quadra and the most prone to conformity and large groups; it seems you've missed the point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
    Not at all; Beta is the least individualistic quadra and the most prone to conformity and large groups; it seems you've missed the point!
    Yes, and Delta definitely has subversive elements. It's like saying that Fe quadras can't have real relationships, you're kind of just looking at what's "wrong" with a quadra that doesn't value the same things as you.

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    As a philosophy I find it lacks spirit, love and beauty. I don't like it... well part of me does... I bet he had some amazing orgies.
    But yeah it all seems a bit souless.
    Then again maybe anyone of any type could be attracted to it under the right circumstances.

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    oh so you're into orgies. weird, I think my ISTp-Te dad is into orgies. don't really want to explain why.. Deltas and orgies? correlation? maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
    Not at all; Beta is the least individualistic quadra and the most prone to conformity and large groups; it seems you've missed the point!
    ...yet the satanists, with all their claims of individuality and non-conformism, have developed a "Church", with codes, rituals, and all.

    Thing is, LaVeyan was a beta NF and as such, he was good at protraying an image of something he wasn't. Like Nietszche, he simply built a code summarizing his beta ST ideal. That's why it seems so overworked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    ...yet the satanists, with all their claims of individuality and non-conformism, have developed a "Church", with codes, rituals, and all.
    That's not entirely correct, it is a grave mistake to lump everything into one category and deny everything else. It's like speaking just for the sake of speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Absurd View Post
    That's not entirely correct, it is a grave mistake to lump everything into one category and deny everything else. It's like speaking just for the sake of speaking.
    Deltas know and reason with their egos, meaning that they really just understand and then decide with their least conscious and thus least inhibited faculties. Obviously subjectivism is not an objective in this discussion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blaze View Post
    interesting. why do you say beta is the least individualistic? can you give a couple examples?
    Beta Quadra - Wikisocion

    Preference for larger groups where participation is "collective" rather than focused on individuals for any length of time, but with likely "domination" by more assertive individuals. This means that beta groups discuss topics that everyone could contribute to. Frequent unexplained inside jokes are considered impolite because they exclude other people. Jokes are loud and general, often about stereotypes. Betas attempt to draw others into the group activity: for example, in a situation where there are "group rituals" going on (as in drinking, dancing, etc), there is good-natured pressure on "outsiders" to also participate in them, with a sort of puzzled dismay if they prefer not to. They also try to draw attention to people who might otherwise feel left out - usually this is done with general jokes directed at individuals. In more subdued moments, discussion of ideas involving present trends and political implications, with strong views voiced. Personal experiences tend to be discussed from the point of view of their external impact rather than the individual's own personal view of them.
    When larger social events are organized by Betas (such as parties, receptions etc), they show an inclination to promote activities that will lead to the guests involved as a single group, such as games and shows; dislike for the "quieter" form of events where guests tend to quietly form smaller groups in more intimate atmospheres, which Betas tend to see as boring.
    For Betas atmosphere is more important than specific activity or topic. Groups of betas spend time together to entertain each other. They exchange fun (and often loud) stories to feed the atmosphere, so that the group energy won't run out. People talk fast and they often add comments to other people's stories if they feel that the pace is slowing down. When someone starts to talk, he takes on the obligation to entertain for the duration of the monologue and, in a friendly group, other people only interrupt to try and help him keep control of the atmosphere.
    Talking about personal matters in a group is not something that Betas generally do. It's viewed almost as treachery when something that was told in a one-on-one conversation is retold in front of a group, or when someone criticizes another person's traits in front of the group. Betas believe such things should be told in private and should not be used to embarrass or belittle a friend.
    Betas also don't like it when people tell long, slow stories. Betas try to be polite and listen to the story, and they will forgive you if it was boring for them, but if someone does it too often they might not be invited back. Betas restrict long-winded stories to one-on-one conversations. However, IEIs are more likely to adjust to the slower stories because they are very flexible conversationalists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemex View Post
    ...yet the satanists, with all their claims of individuality and non-conformism, have developed a "Church", with codes, rituals, and all.
    Exactly why it is a load of rubbish.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

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    Whilst our laughter echoed,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huitzilopochtli View Post
    Not at all; Beta is the least individualistic quadra and the most prone to conformity and large groups; it seems you've missed the point!
    interesting. why do you say beta is the least individualistic? can you give a couple examples?

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