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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    Noooooope nope nope nope nope. Trauma me once, shame on you. Trauma me twice, shame on me.
    Hah! I just listened to it. It was kind of a let down lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaein View Post
    Hah! I just listened to it. It was kind of a let down lol.
    How come you never put pics in the pics thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    How come you never put pics in the pics thread?
    It makese uncomfortable, and self conscious

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaein View Post
    It makese uncomfortable, and self conscious
    Well, we're all friends here, even if it doesn't always seem like it, because people are all inherently good. Maybe specific people can't always give you what you need and want, but they will most certainly try and help you on your way to such if they are able. The more of your own self you give, it is true that you leave more open space for others to violate your heart, but it is also the only way people are able to clearly see you well enough to see what you need and want. Don't be so worried. I'm talking, and I don't have any issues with your looks. At the least, I'm still a friend here trying to help you out, and every friend is just one more little drop in the bucket that eventually gets you where you need to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    Well, we're all friends here, even if it doesn't always seem like it, because people are all inherently good. Maybe specific people can't always give you what you need and want, but they will most certainly try and help you on your way to such if they are able. The more of your own self you give, it is true that you leave more open space for others to violate your heart, but it is also the only way people are able to clearly see you well enough to see what you need and want. Don't be so worried. I'm talking, and I don't have any issues with your looks. At the least, I'm still a friend here trying to help you out, and every friend is just one more little drop in the bucket that eventually gets you where you need to be.
    Well thank you Jeremy I appreciate it.

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    I regret and will live with regret all my life for not stepping in and being proactive about a friend's cancer situation. I recently lost her to breast cancer. I was told not to interfere with her choices because she wanted to do something unordinary and unorthodox. I may have been seen as having opinions and suggesting things which were not her choice but I would have tried. I didn't try because people kept telling me to not and to say anything or do anything. It was already a tough situation for this friend because her cancer was very aggressive. I can't help it but to feel regret at actions which I could have taken. I'm often very proactive and care giving. I got lost in my dad's problems and I didn't do my friendly job. I was a bad friend to her because I did not act as I should have. I should not have listened to other people. It went totally against my true nature. At least at her death I would have said "I did everything I could." Instead of living with I couldn't do anything
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    We all try to do our best, and, at the end of the day, that's good enough, and all any of us really hope for or expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    I regret and will live with regret all my life for not stepping in and being proactive about a friend's cancer situation. I recently lost her to breast cancer. I was told not to interfere with her choices because she wanted to do something unordinary and unorthodox. I may have been seen as having opinions and suggesting things which were not her choice but I would have tried. I didn't try because people kept telling me to not and to say anything or do anything. It was already a tough situation for this friend because her cancer was very aggressive. I can't help it but to feel regret at actions which I could have taken. I'm often very proactive and care giving. I got lost in my dad's problems and I didn't do my friendly job. I was a bad friend to her because I did not act as I should have. I should not have listened to other people. It went totally against my true nature. At least at her death I would have said "I did everything I could." Instead of living with I couldn't do anything
    You are sweet and I am sure you were a great friend to her. There is only so much we can take on in any given phase of our lives and you had so much on your plate with your dad's health. I am sure your friend knew you did all you could, and she was probably aware of her options and made decisions she felt were the right ones at the time.
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    Nostalgia is the emptiness of the future. Your "where I want to go" dropped off after losing the ability to see the potentials for how to get there, and the past is now filling the void left in it's wake. Eventually, you'll remember a clear vision of your core self, and regain the passion to make this vision a reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    I regret and will live with regret all my life for not stepping in and being proactive about a friend's cancer situation. I recently lost her to breast cancer. I was told not to interfere with her choices because she wanted to do something unordinary and unorthodox. I may have been seen as having opinions and suggesting things which were not her choice but I would have tried. I didn't try because people kept telling me to not and to say anything or do anything. It was already a tough situation for this friend because her cancer was very aggressive. I can't help it but to feel regret at actions which I could have taken. I'm often very proactive and care giving. I got lost in my dad's problems and I didn't do my friendly job. I was a bad friend to her because I did not act as I should have. I should not have listened to other people. It went totally against my true nature. At least at her death I would have said "I did everything I could." Instead of living with I couldn't do anything
    I have read this a couple of times, and I just wanted to give you a warm hug.
    And if God cares so wonderfully for flowers that are here today and gone tomorrow, won't he more surely care for you?- Matthew 6:30

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    @Maritsa, i am so sorry for the loss of your friend. Know she is in the best of hands now, at peace, and forgives you completely if there is anything to forgive and she desires that you not have regrets. You did say it was an aggressive cancer, and truly its probable that your best suggestions could not have saved her. I am so sorry for your sad loss.

    Well, I wanted to post something else here in Delta Lounge. Just in case people have not had enough of me on 16T lately. I want to say I am aiming to be absent for Lent, a season when Dh and I aim to overcome all manner of excessive habits, and in winter I tend to increase internet time to excessive degree, as is clear here on 16T. Dh & I find Lenten disciplines, boosted by lots of others in the same boat at the same time for the same reason, helps a lot in overcoming excesses. Likewise I have been doing a thorough pantry cleaning the past week or so and we are eating up all the stuff we don't want to eat for Lent and in it looks like we won't be done by Wed, so, the critter outdoors will enjoy. It takes 40+ days to get rid of 12 days of Christmas feasting, why is that? Anyway, I thought I'd say so. If anyone here thinks they can't live without me then PM me for my email address! And I will do my very best to handle the flood of requests!
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    And if God cares so wonderfully for flowers that are here today and gone tomorrow, won't he more surely care for you?- Matthew 6:30

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    My blood pressure was 90/60 I told the nurse I hadn't had my daily chocolate what does she expect?
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

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    "A man with a definite belief always appears bizarre, because he does not change with the world; he has climbed into a fixed star, and the earth whizzes below him like a zoetrope."
    ........ G. ........... K. ............... C ........ H ........ E ...... S ........ T ...... E ........ R ........ T ........ O ........ N ........


    "Having a clear faith, based on the creed of the Church, is often labeled today as fundamentalism... Whereas relativism, which is letting oneself be tossed and swept along
    by every wind of teaching, looks like the only
    attitude acceptable to today's standards."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    I told the nurse I hadn't had my daily chocolate what does she expect?
    that your teeth have gotten a weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    that your teeth have gotten a weekend
    Lol
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    I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE

    Best description of functions:
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    Self-disgruntled mini-rant:

    I feel like a stick-in-the-mud, anti-fun person right now. I'm pretty sure everybody jokes and laughs and has more fun than I do. But the weird thing is I'm ok with that - insofar as it pertains to my own comfort, that is. Like, I'm happy and content with my boring levels of exuberance. It's just I observe other people and their bounciness and joviality and I'm fairly sure I tend to dampen things. Someone says a joke to me and I might smirk. Or I might not. I might even find it really funny, but the belly laughs are few and far between with this one. And while I wish it wouldn't I'm prreeetttyyy sure it affects the person trying to joke with me. Most people don't like to be drug out of their happy clouds, particularly if it takes them effort to get there.

    I've said this before here (on this forum), but I'm feeling it again.

    My dismay is not so much at my own state (I think I'm relatively happy with at least that aspect of myself), but more with the difference and the resulting distance between myself and others.

    Or maybe I'm just depressed and my lack of exhilaration and jubilee is a symptom of such. But I've always been such more or less so I dunno.
    Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    Self-disgruntled mini-rant:

    I feel like a stick-in-the-mud, anti-fun person right now. I'm pretty sure everybody jokes and laughs and has more fun than I do. But the weird thing is I'm ok with that - insofar as it pertains to my own comfort, that is. Like, I'm happy and content with my boring levels of exuberance. It's just I observe other people and their bounciness and joviality and I'm fairly sure I tend to dampen things. Someone says a joke to me and I might smirk. Or I might not. I might even find it really funny, but the belly laughs are few and far between with this one. And while I wish it wouldn't I'm prreeetttyyy sure it affects the person trying to joke with me. Most people don't like to be drug out of their happy clouds, particularly if it takes them effort to get there.

    I've said this before here (on this forum), but I'm feeling it again.

    My dismay is not so much at my own state (I think I'm relatively happy with at least that aspect of myself), but more with the difference and the resulting distance between myself and others.

    Or maybe I'm just depressed and my lack of exhilaration and jubilee is a symptom of such. But I've always been such more or less so I dunno.
    Get you an IEE friend or gf for a while

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    Get you an IEE friend or gf for a while
    I have an IEE sister who likes to hang out with me, does that count? And an ESE best friend. Both of them are just fine with my grayness
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    I have an IEE sister who likes to hang out with me, does that count? And an ESE best friend. Both of them are just fine with my grayness
    Try an IEE bf then lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    Try an IEE bf then lol
    What if I'm not looking for a bf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    What if I'm not looking for a bf?
    Man candy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    Man candy?
    I'M LOOKING FOR A LIFELONG SOULMATE. (j/k)

    I think I was hungry earlier.


    While we're on the topic, though, I think singleness is a thing I've had far too much of in my life.


    Edit: Actually, I would like a lifelong soulmate. The yelling part was the joking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    I'M LOOKING FOR A LIFELONG SOULMATE. (j/k)

    I think I was hungry earlier.


    While we're on the topic, though, I think singleness is a thing I've had far too much of in my life.


    Edit: Actually, I would like a lifelong soulmate. The yelling part was the joking.
    Careful what you wish for; your soul mate might be a headache lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willyum Take4 View Post
    Sounds like you just need a lifelong soulmate who will also feed you, and then you're all set.
    Feed me, yes, and be ok with my habits of non-emotiveness.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jeremy8419 View Post
    Careful what you wish for; your soul mate might be a headache lol
    Hence much of my singleness.
    Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    Self-disgruntled mini-rant:

    I feel like a stick-in-the-mud, anti-fun person right now. I'm pretty sure everybody jokes and laughs and has more fun than I do. But the weird thing is I'm ok with that - insofar as it pertains to my own comfort, that is. Like, I'm happy and content with my boring levels of exuberance. It's just I observe other people and their bounciness and joviality and I'm fairly sure I tend to dampen things. Someone says a joke to me and I might smirk. Or I might not. I might even find it really funny, but the belly laughs are few and far between with this one. And while I wish it wouldn't I'm prreeetttyyy sure it affects the person trying to joke with me. Most people don't like to be drug out of their happy clouds, particularly if it takes them effort to get there.

    I've said this before here (on this forum), but I'm feeling it again.

    My dismay is not so much at my own state (I think I'm relatively happy with at least that aspect of myself), but more with the difference and the resulting distance between myself and others.

    Or maybe I'm just depressed and my lack of exhilaration and jubilee is a symptom of such. But I've always been such more or less so I dunno.
    Some people just aren't belly-laughing people, and that's OK. The people that get to know you and love you will appreciate you for the many other admirable qualities you have.

    My husband isn't extraordinarily jovial, and he's commented before that he thinks he's the least liked person in the marriage and perhaps even his family, but I think he's underestimating himself. I see him like an iceberg, where there's much more thought, heart, and depth to him than shows on the surface. He doesn't always react with as much transparency, jovial-ness, emotion.. call it what you will, but underneath his character is solid and his values tested and true. When he does get set off with laughter though, it's the greatest thing in the world to me.

    That's the beauty of socionics and God's design. You can find different admirable qualities across the spectrum. Don't let that rabbit hole of thought carry you too far into dismay. You're pretty awesome, and I think God has great intent and purpose in your design
    And if God cares so wonderfully for flowers that are here today and gone tomorrow, won't he more surely care for you?- Matthew 6:30

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    Quote Originally Posted by applejacks View Post
    Some people just aren't belly-laughing people, and that's OK. The people that get to know you and love you will appreciate you for the many other admirable qualities you have.

    My husband isn't extraordinarily jovial, and he's commented before that he thinks he's the least liked person in the marriage and perhaps even his family, but I think he's underestimating himself. I see him like an iceberg, where there's much more thought, heart, and depth to him than shows on the surface. He doesn't always react with as much transparency, jovial-ness, emotion.. call it what you will, but underneath his character is solid and his values tested and true. When he does get set off with laughter though, it's the greatest thing in the world to me.

    That's the beauty of socionics and God's design. You can find different admirable qualities across the spectrum. Don't let that rabbit hole of thought carry you too far into dismay. You're pretty awesome, and I think God has great intent and purpose in your design
    You sound like my IEE sister and ESE best friend.
    Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.

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    A guy on Quora once replied to a young girl seeking self improvement advice and one of the things he said went something like "Don't be afraid to love, but always love from a place of independence." Which I thought was excellent advice, and something that empathetic people need to keep in mind as a safeguard from things like codependency and emotional abuse.
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    You've done yourself a huge favor developmentally by mustering the balls to do something really fucking scary... in about the most vulnerable situation possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minde View Post
    be ok with my habits of non-emotiveness
    It's good for you to check your type
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1096450

    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    always love from a place of independence
    Love and independence are not compatible. If you love then what is happening with the other is important for you. It's not independence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    It's good for you to check your type
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...=1#post1096450
    Is this your way of asking to see a video of me?
    Oh, to find you in dreams - mixing prior, analog, and never-beens... facts slip and turn and change with little lucidity. except the strong, permeating reality of emotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    Love and independence are not compatible. If you love then what is happening with the other is important for you. It's not independence.
    Independence does not imply indifference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Park View Post
    Independence does not imply indifference.
    When you care what is happening with other one - this makes you depending on him, as what is happening with him - influence on you. Normal love relations is interdependency. While to be independent is possible only when you love no one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sol View Post
    When you care what is happening with other one - this makes you depending on him, as what is happening with him - influence on you. Normal love relations is interdependency. While to be independent is possible only when you love no one.
    This is the best advice on love

    However what he's saying is independence like you can do your thing and the person you love will support you and be okay with it. Like you don't have to be stuck together 24/7

    You can offer your ears so as to give support to listen to them but not necessarily run with them if they want to run a marathon but be their cheerleader and supporter by going to the finish line to meet them
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    Not what I was saying, but I agree with that pragmatic take on independence, too.

    To add to one of the previous topics, I tend to be largely indifferent to displays of merriment around me. That's not something that affects how I'm feeling, unless it's being imposed upon or geared towards me, in which case the way it affects me is likely to be negative, but still pretty insignificant and inconsequential. There are moments and social situations when I feel alienated and wish I was able to "fit in," but if I can't establish rapport by being my true self, then so be it.

    I seem to have a lot of SPD traits.
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    You play the piano amazingly well Parks. Would you jazz things up in here a bit?

    My LSE neighbor and apartment manager is so caring. She gave me very nice winter boots because she can't wear them due to feet problems even after I offered to sell them for her I wore them out yesterday and the looked so nice. I told her about all the compliments and she.said "yeah!!! I have TASTE!" I've always appreciated this kind of giving, swapping, exchanging, caring acts @Sol why all the "taste"? lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maritsa View Post
    You play the piano amazingly well Parks. Would you jazz things up in here a bit?
    YES! We need some jazz, @Park!

    And speaking of which, I'd like to learn more about jazz. It was part of my training that was severely lacking. Do you have any good resources online?
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    Thanks guys. Haven't been playing much lately... too busy with the career path I chose as a result of a lack of perseverance to become a professional musician, apparently.

    Here are some good the best resources:

    https://www.discogs.com/artist/254394-Oscar-Peterson
    https://www.discogs.com/artist/252310-Bill-Evans
    https://www.discogs.com/artist/3865-Herbie-Hancock
    https://www.discogs.com/artist/65746-Kenny-Barron
    https://www.discogs.com/artist/272493-Mulgrew-Miller

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    As all the sad events get put away slowly my sense of humor is returning I have occasional bouts of minor sadness. Nothing like the depression that I went through before. It's approaching spring. The peach and almond trees are at full bloom and the bees are buzzing around in the farm fields of California
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    What do you call a terrorist attack in Baghdad?

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