Female SLEs/ESTp women

[silverchris9]

And frankly, I don't know why people don't think her songs are good. Very good voice, amazing editing, very catchy tunes even though they're simple, and some really good formal ideas and good sense of timing. The songs are particularly good in the transitions to the choruses...Really nice and clever ideas with the words too, and her vocals sound great in the mix. I agree it can sometimes get annoying in the same way as a jingle for an ad, but then again most songwriters aim for making their melodies catchy so people remember them. She definitely has a unique style compared to other pop stars....So many of them sound the same. Every once in awhile a unique voice like Jewel or Ke$ha comes around.

IS THIS A JOKE?!?!?!?! SHE DOESN'T SING! SHE HAS A RANGE FOR FOUR NOTES! HAVE YOU HEARD THE CHORUS TO "TICK TOCK"?!?!

And don't tell me the lyrics are good. There's not a single actual ("perfect") rhyme in the whole song! Every single rhyme is a para-rhyme, half-rhyme, identity-rhyme, or slant-rhyme, i.e., not a real rhyme. Her voice isn't unique, it's just bad. And she talks her verses. And she doesn't even talk the verses well.

I'm sorry, but if you think Ke$ha has good songs then you just don't understand what makes a good song. You cannot tell me that "As" by Stevie Wonder and "Tick Tock" by Ke$ha are both good songs. You have to make some sort of distinction between something with actual artistic skill and at least some baseline amount of emotional/spiritual/personal investment, and something smushed together by a bunch of producers to be enjoyable to play to drunk people who are more focused on rubbing their crotches together than the music they're rubbing to. It's like the difference between a great home-cooked meal, and a bar of nondescript foodstuffs sprinkled with some sort of addictive substance. Of course you're going to consume the crack-laced nondescript foodstuffs, but it's not because the food is good, it's because your brain is getting a straight shot of dopamine or serotonin or whateverthehell happy-making chemical.

tl;dr: Ke$ha sucks, comparing her with good musicians, even good popular musicians, is an insult.

Mods, split this off if you like?


On topic:

I think Pink is SEE... but still quite attractive.

[Jonathan]

IS THIS A JOKE?!?!?!?! SHE DOESN'T SING! SHE HAS A RANGE FOR FOUR NOTES! HAVE YOU HEARD THE CHORUS TO "TICK TOCK"?!?!

And don't tell me the lyrics are good. There's not a single actual ("perfect") rhyme in the whole song! Every single rhyme is a para-rhyme, half-rhyme, identity-rhyme, or slant-rhyme, i.e., not a real rhyme. Her voice isn't unique, it's just bad. And she talks her verses. And she doesn't even talk the verses well.

I'm sorry, but if you think Ke$ha has good songs then you just don't understand what makes a good song. You cannot tell me that "As" by Stevie Wonder and "Tick Tock" by Ke$ha are both good songs. You have to make some sort of distinction between something with actual artistic skill and at least some baseline amount of emotional/spiritual/personal investment, and something smushed together by a bunch of producers to be enjoyable to play to drunk people who are more focused on rubbing their crotches together than the music they're rubbing to. It's like the difference between a great home-cooked meal, and a bar of nondescript foodstuffs sprinkled with some sort of addictive substance. Of course you're going to consume the crack-laced nondescript foodstuffs, but it's not because the food is good, it's because your brain is getting a straight shot of dopamine or serotonin or whateverthehell happy-making chemical.

tl;dr: Ke$ha sucks, comparing her with good musicians, even good popular musicians, is an insult.

Well, I'm not going to take this much further; it's kind of pointless to argue taste, especially since I don't even like pop that much anyway. It's pointless to compare Ke$ha's songs to some very deep or thoughtful song. But within that genre of loud pop music, they seem pretty well-crafted. I realize the producers probably have a lot to do with that. I can see that if I were around where people blasted her stuff constantly, I'd probably get pretty tired of it. And I guess you're right that that sub-genre is kind of like McDonalds. Still, I don't think the fact that she chooses to quasi-rap her verses or that she doesn't use real rhymes means she's not talented. Compared to other top 40 singers...the ones that get the big media attention and sales...I think she's more interesting.

[Satan]

IS THIS A JOKE?!?!?!?! SHE DOESN'T SING! SHE HAS A RANGE FOR FOUR NOTES! HAVE YOU HEARD THE CHORUS TO "TICK TOCK"?!?!

And don't tell me the lyrics are good. There's not a single actual ("perfect") rhyme in the whole song! Every single rhyme is a para-rhyme, half-rhyme, identity-rhyme, or slant-rhyme, i.e., not a real rhyme. Her voice isn't unique, it's just bad. And she talks her verses. And she doesn't even talk the verses well.

I'm sorry, but if you think Ke$ha has good songs then you just don't understand what makes a good song. You cannot tell me that "As" by Stevie Wonder and "Tick Tock" by Ke$ha are both good songs. You have to make some sort of distinction between something with actual artistic skill and at least some baseline amount of emotional/spiritual/personal investment, and something smushed together by a bunch of producers to be enjoyable to play to drunk people who are more focused on rubbing their crotches together than the music they're rubbing to. It's like the difference between a great home-cooked meal, and a bar of nondescript foodstuffs sprinkled with some sort of addictive substance. Of course you're going to consume the crack-laced nondescript foodstuffs, but it's not because the food is good, it's because your brain is getting a straight shot of dopamine or serotonin or whateverthehell happy-making chemical.

tl;dr: Ke$ha sucks, comparing her with good musicians, even good popular musicians, is an insult.

Mods, split this off if you like?


On topic:

I think Pink is SEE... but still quite attractive.

Envious, are we?

[inumbra]

ftr I think Pink is probably SLE (not SEE) and I had wondered about SEE for Ke$ha, but SLE is something else I would consider, and maybe it's actually a better fit. I don't see Alpha SF.

[xerx]

I don't know whether Ke$ha is SLE or SEE, but the lifestyle she sings about in Tik Tok is right up my brother's (who is SEE) alley. Could have gone to med school and become a surgeon, but he prefers bartending, dj-ing and getting laid.

[silverchris9]

Envious, are we?

Genuinely not even a little bit. You could argue fairly that I'm jealous of Katy Perry or Megan Fox (two people who are not talented at what they ostensibly do, but are nevertheless famous), but not in the slightest jealous of Ke$ha. If I had her career, I might literally commit suicide. She has no talent. Like, at all.

[Galen]

Kesha seems like one of those ISFps that makes Alpha feel embarrassed about being Alpha.

[Exodus]

From her music, I thought she was SEE, but in an interview, I get more of an SLE vibe:

YouTube - Ke Interview with Ryan Seacrest

Hm. I actually think kesha is probably LIE based on that. She's kind of dorky.

[Trevor]

i guess

[mikemex]

ESFp

Is there a more obvious example of an SLE woman than Madonna???

[mikemex]

i guess

Yeah...

[Beautiful sky]

Is there a more obvious example of an SLE woman than Madonna???

yeah, not Madonna.

[Azure Flame]

I suspect Michelle Pfeiffer, possibly EIE. But this is mostly based on her visual stoicism and things she's said in other interviews like, "I've always felt older than everyone else, even as a kid."

[silke]

Rachel Weisz - SLE-Se 9w8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD2T4ROv-yw



Isla Fisher - SLE-Se sp/sx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IL9Omfh0hU



Kate Winslet - SLE-Se
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bENBGz_dBII



Ronda Rousey - SLE-Ti sp/so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7kpFqGqALI



Inna Shevchenko - SLE-Ti sp/so 7w8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31VYDVGuYhA



Chelsea Handler - SLE-Ti so/sp 7w8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVdT_hYT0zY



Courtney Love SLE-Se so/sp 9w1 and Madonna SLE-Ti sp/so (3?)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKUwDtCF4yY



might be Caroline Myss, not too sure about her as she was also typed as ISTj
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaVIuy-ZMiY

[Korpsy Knievel]

Bone-snapping Rousey.