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    Default Fictional INTj and ESFj pairs in movies and literature

    I've become interested in trying to find depictions of duality between LII/INTj and ESE/ESFj. So far, I've seen "I Love You, Man", which I think portrayed a male friendship between an ESE and an LII. I've also heard from Krig that "Pride and Prejudice" features an LII, but I can't remember if it's a Duality story. However, he did tell me tonight that "I Love You, Beth Cooper" is LII/ESE.

    In your experience, have you come across any movies (most preferable), TV series, or books that portray duality between LII and ESE? It would be most appreciated!
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    Wasn't there a thread about this already? I don't remember, and am too lazy to go look.

    "Garden State" is also a good LII-ESE movie.

    And yeah, "I Love You Beth Cooper" is like somebody studied socionics, and then decided to do a movie about an LII and an ESE.
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    For some reason, I'd rather start a new thread about a subject if the last one is a while ago. Perhaps its from my limited knowledge and experience of forums, but I prefer making a new thread to bumping a really old one.

    I'll have to look into "Garden State", because I remember you telling me this, but I must've forgot.

    Also, I watched a little over half of Beth Cooper, and I see what you mean!
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    I argued for Sam and Frodo being ESE/LII here:
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tml#post562995
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    For some reason, I don't recall seeing a lot of LII-ESE dual relationship portrayals, but I see a lot of SEI-ILE one...

    Some possible ones, but I'm not certain as I'm basing a lot of this on memory, having not seen any of these in quite a while

    John (LII) and Alicia (ESE) Nash - A Beautiful Mind
    Harold (LII) and Ana (ESE) - Stranger than Fiction
    Jamal (LII) and Latika (ESE or EIE) - Slumdog Millionaire
    Chandler (LII) and Monica (ESE) - "Friends" TV
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    [QUOTE=Marie84;574971]For some reason, I don't recall seeing a lot of LII-ESE dual relationship portrayals, but I see a lot of SEI-ILE one...

    Some possible ones, but I'm not certain as I'm basing a lot of this on memory, having not seen any of these in quite a while

    John (LII) and Alicia (ESE) Nash - A Beautiful Mind
    Harold (LII) and Ana (ESE) - Stranger than Fiction
    Jamal (LII) and Latika (ESE or EIE) - Slumdog Millionaire
    Chandler (LII) and Monica (ESE) - "Friends" TV[/QUOTE

    I can't remember much of a beautiful mind, but I think of all of those that stranger than fiction is the closest to duality, though even there I think she is sei.

    I think pride and prejudice is a good example. So is Emma, at least the one with gwyneth paltrow.

    If anyone has seen just add water, that may also be included?
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    Luke Wilson and Maya Rudolph are and LII/ESE pair in "Idiocracy"

    Are there any movies where the guy is the ESE and the girl is LII?
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    Quote Originally Posted by electric sheep View Post
    Are there any movies where the guy is the ESE and the girl is LII?
    I don't know any movies, but the T.V. show "Bones" has this.
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    LII females are under represented in Hollywood it seems
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    LII females are under represented in Hollywood it seems
    Yeah. Even though I've only looked into both a little bit (interviews, mostly), I wouldn't immediately throw down the typing of Sigourney Weaver or Nicole Kidman as INTj.
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    Isn't Carrie-Ann Moss LII? I always thought the Matrix was supposed to portray an LII-LII relationship.

    Keanu Reeves always tries to play LII roles. Don't know if he's LII himself, but he plays LII roles. Which, come to think of it, wouldn't that make Speed an LII-ESE movie?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Isn't Carrie-Ann Moss LII? I always thought the Matrix was supposed to portray an LII-LII relationship.

    Keanu Reeves always tries to play LII roles. Don't know if he's LII himself, but he plays LII roles. Which, come to think of it, wouldn't that make Speed an LII-ESE movie?
    Really? Neo did not strike me as an LII. He seemed more Delta NF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logos View Post
    Really? Neo did not strike me as an LII. He seemed more Delta NF.
    Neo is a LII 9w1!!!!!!!! He's a computer hacker. I always thought Neo and Trinity were LII/ESE, but I don't have a strong argument for it. She's a 6w7 though.
    You have a real blind spot for that kind of thing. Not all 9s are delta NFs. Didn't you think Frodo was delta NF too?

    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    wouldn't that make Speed an LII-ESE movie?
    Sandra Bullock always plays ESEs it seems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Currere View Post
    Yeah. Even though I've only looked into both a little bit (interviews, mostly), I wouldn't immediately throw down the typing of Sigourney Weaver or Nicole Kidman as INTj.
    Yah Nicole is most likely LII, not too sure about Weaver, she may be an LSE.
    I think Naomi Watts, Ashley Judd and Christina Ricci may be LII's, too

    Even so, most of these LII actresses generally don't play LII characters, but I could be wrong of course

    Quote Originally Posted by Krig the Viking View Post
    Isn't Carrie-Ann Moss LII? I always thought the Matrix was supposed to portray an LII-LII relationship.

    Keanu Reeves always tries to play LII roles. Don't know if he's LII himself, but he plays LII roles. Which, come to think of it, wouldn't that make Speed an LII-ESE movie?
    Carrie-Ann LII yep, go Canada!
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    Frodo didn't exactly seem like an obvious LII in either the books or the films...and after typing characters from films and books over the years as well as seeing people type characters from films and books over the years from seemingly scant and often contradictory 'information', I wouldn't so easily type Neo as an LII either.

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    lmao @ everybody's perceptions on what Se is. also that bitch was hilariously campy but evil is best served cold, not hot like that.

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    She's acting. Not saying that she is in fact an LII, rather using roles to type actors is not really reliable.
    People have been basing their typings of her on roles so far so my argument isn't worth any less than theirs. Also, it takes something more than just goodwill to act like that. The person needs to fit the role. My estimation is that the average INTj wouldn't to the extent she does.

    Based on this article I found linked to his wiki page, he's probably an SLI
    That also makes sense. Like I said, just a candidate.

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    Recently saw my first, good, portrayal of LII female and ESE male duality.
    It's a 80's comedy called "Coming To America". Eddie Murphy as Prince Akeem (ESE) and his love interest Lisa (LII)

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    Arthur Weasley and Molly Weasley from Harry Potter
    Nick Wilde and Judy Hopps from Zootopia (Well, I type Nick as ILE but close enough...)
    These are a few of the examples that I can think of.
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