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    Music of the oppositions Ego- Superid and Superid-Ego.

    This music must be liked by the dynamic types, because there is a constant movement from high to low, contrast change from very quiet to the very loud, volcanic music and no stagnation... The change of emotional states from the one of desperation, weakness, sadness or fear to the one of a full self-control and control over the situation. This music consists of unexpectedly sharp leap upward to the full expression of emotion. Dynamic music can also be quiet without the sharp change of rhythms. However you still would feel the internal tension within and constant movement of music which you would associate with internal stress, anxiety or sadness and would not know the exact reason for it. As if you would feel restless or not be able to sleep. This is a state of nature before the storm.

    The typology of music is a new thing. So whenever I say something it means that I or we (me and some other forum members) assume this at the moment. Nothing is cut in stone but there is more or less strong feeling towards the suggestion. So, the music which I would like to offer to your attention belongs to the oppostion Superid-Ego, because we feel that Superid is a bit more present than Ego. However we do not have an exact instrument to measure, just our feelings and perception. Please, decide for yourself and if you wish add your compositions to this thread!
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    Tchaikovsky and Beethoven symphonies, film soundtracks that offer drastic change within a scene? My dad says he doesn't understand why it gets loud all of a sudden. I tell him it is called dynamics. That's what makes it interesting. Dynamics were the very first thing I noticed being used by many musical geniuses, which attracted me to my first round of heavy listening.

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    It is a shame I do not know classical music well enough but there are some people on the Russian forum who loves it. I will keep an eye and share their thoughts on a classical music here.
    I wonder, if you could post here a couple of examples of music you are talking about?
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    First of all, I like your observations a lot. I'm wondering what else more could be said, and how these two types of music could compare, tastes of dynamic types compared to static types.

    For some reason when I first got into liking chamber music a lot, this arrangement of music by Koji Kondo stuck out as "genius" because notice at 1:00 how the beat in the strings gets louder and then softer, and that complements the melody and harmony, giving life you could say. It is very catchy and simple, and now that I look back it's strange that I loved that so much compared to what I like now, but I still like it a lot.



    I've always asked the question, is it possible for a car to all of a sudden be going 70 miles an hour when it was once stopped, or is the time in between that really time speeding up to that point? So basically I always try to see things develop even when it's hard to notice, and I tell people, "just wait, it's getting there" and I know they don't enjoy the journey as much as I do. I always have to tell people to wait and be patient, in every day things. Maybe I'm too slow sometimes, but I think others are too rash and they're missing out on a lot. Then again I'm IP.

    The following movement is one of my absolute favorites of Beethoven and shows great dynamicism. At first it gets loud then soft then loud in a pattern, but eventually it starts off soft again and builds and dies, builds and dies, and the whole piece is like a journey as if you were watching a movie, or a multitude of developments happening one after another. I also consider his gradual harmonic developments as inventive, if not universally classical.



    Tell me, is this more dynamic music or static? This is one of my favorites of John Williams. I do appreciate repeating melodies, especially if they are good, but I basically like them because they help develop the piece of music, and I like when they are used later in a different fashion. I wonder if static and dynamic types view melodies differently.



    I like the music just as much as I like where the music is placed. Time and place is everything.

    I love Debussy. I think impressionism in general is very dynamic music.



    I think dynamicism can be in harmony, as well as anything really. I've never liked too odd chord changes, but if it develops nicely to that point in harmony and on occasion turns to some bold key, it sounds so sweet. The notes are really all about timing and progression.

    Lastly, here's a dynamic piece in harmony and volume of which I like a lot, and even when there is repetition in the melody there is dynamicism. In this case it's all about contrast. One side moves, the other side stays the same, like how legs move in footsteps.



    I think many static listeners view dynamicism as a distraction. My dad for instance doesn't know what to think when it gets loud and soft, he just sees the difference in volume, but he doesn't consider everything together as developing.

    I'll finish off by saying that most of all music I like is by your definition dynamic.
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    You told me amazing things about yourself and your perception of music. The whole idea of music typology is in fact very basic and I see it in general terms. However it gets very exciting in the process of exploration while we exchange ideas and feelings. Like the whole new world is opening and this is all fun. I would never be able to develop theory just on my own.
    I think the classical music or rock or any genre of music has got it's own special characteristics which you need to know in order to be right. It would be much better if it would be the discussion between the two experts of classical music. I do agree with everything you said about the dynamicism of classical music. The composition you are asking me I can only judge by the general feeling and I could mistake. When I listen to the music in order to assess my own feelings about it I imagine pictures in my head. Then I try to think about the pictures if they were static or dynamic. On the whole, the classical music for me is more complicated and dynamic than static pop. lol From your third piece of music I had a very positive feeling, some sort of stability. It was movement but not fast, rather slow as if you sit in a space ship and looks at the sky. Or you are walking down the road and see people working in the fields and building their life. sometimes you pay attention to a litle detail and this is where music slows down because you need time to look atit but then again you are back into the flow, which picks you up with a stronger feeling of involvement. I could say it looks like static but I am not sure to what TPE or to what opposition I would relate this music. It does seem a rational music to me.
    As regards you friend's type I hope when we get to understand better music from the point of theory and practice then we may answer those questions. I will open more threads so that we could differentiate better the TPE and the oppositions. Later we shall move to the Jungs dichotomies and so on....
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    Can someone describe 1812 (Tchaikovsky) from a Socionics point of view?
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    Yes, I can try although classical music could be more difficult to describe. On the whole I woud consider this music as a rational music (rational opposition Ego -Superego). Ego -music and Superego-music are the leading TPE (types of energy). Generally the war is done by strong Ego energy. At the beginning I feel dynamic element Ni as if the fight just unfolds and it is dramatic. However the believe in the victory and strong will to achive it is already there. It is a very optimistic, strong energy and inspiring sound of Ego. Then it come to Superego-music, more peaceful sound of home, sounds more like ethical music to me. Like a memory of your home, of the loved one, may be it is the memory of your birth place or generaly atachment to your home country. The Ego music sounds louder as if we are celebrating the victory - the sound of the church bells everywhere. At the end we hear the Id-music of joy and happiness about the victory. This is more like Ego-Id opposition. One TPE is not present - Superid -music- no melancholy or sadness.
    So this is all understandable. People fought for their own country (Superego) - there had the right to winn this war and so they did because they had one and the same goal - to be free to live by their own will (Ego). You cannot winn the war just by loving and knowing what is right or wrong. You have got to be a fighter and stand up for yourself (Ego).
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    Thank you for your cooperation!
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    What about Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No. 1?



    You know it's interesting... because most of his music often opens with a "bang!", and then not much happens... then exists with a "bang!" again

    His intro in Piano Concerto No. 1 is one of my favorite intros... ever.

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    The muisc is very dynamic in nature but the emotions are positive. I would assume that he could be a rational extravert (to be honest have got no idea about his persnality as such) Ego is quite strong, but no sadness just optimism and positive progress. However, the rational extraverts as dynamic types have very mobile and changing inner world. May be the classical music suits the best to express this changing inner states of soul. May be he was a dynamic type, positive and emotinal. I think the music is rational on the hole. During Ego-moments there is a little bit of drama and danger. If we would draw a picture what colours would we chose or what pictures whould we drew? At one point I imagined strong waves of the sea clushing on the shore and dark clouds but still the sun comes through it as if the power of Light will always winn over everything: over irrational power of storm and over inner turmoil of doubt and changing feelings. Very positive inspiring music.
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