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    I've only seen the film, however I thought that the charactors of McMurphy and Nurse Ratched were so well deveolped and acted that the intertype relations between them might be quite accurate.

    Anyway only thing I'm reasonably sure of is

    McMurphy: EP
    Ratched: IJ


    If I had to take a stab though

    McMurphy: SEE/SLE
    Ratched: EII

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    Why EII for Ratched? I think ESI or LSI is better suited for her.
    Ceci n'est pas une eii.




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    Quote Originally Posted by The Greeter View Post
    Why EII for Ratched? I think ESI or LSI is better suited for her.
    Yeah I did actually kind of think that, the only reason I went with EII was that I thought it may have been an unsypathetic portrayel of one. But yeah it really was quite a ridiculous typing, especially with her lack of awareness to how her well intentioned actions were being so detrimental to her patients wellbeing, especially poor Billy. Damn I felt bad for him.

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    I wasn't sure if she wasn't aware of what her actions were doing. I kind of thought she knew full well what she was doing and reveled in having the power to gradually turn other people into mental vegetables. I couldn't see anything actually "wrong" with Jack Nicholson's character... I didn't understand why he was even in that place... It seemed that the only "problem" with him was that she didn't approve of his free spirited behavior and got some sick satisfaction in killing everything vibrant and alive inside of him. I really thought she was evil and not at all well intentioned. (But maybe I demonized her... and also it has been a really long time since I saw that movie so who knows what my brain has done with it in the meantime!)

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    I tentatively agree (if my memory serves me right): Ratchet - evil variant of EII with some sort of superego crossing going on; McMurphy - SLE

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    Nurse Ratched couldn't be any further than an Se PoLR, she's the stereotype for corruption, influence of power and authority
    She's a dictator and loves submission of others
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    There are evil EIIs. They exist. I've seen them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xkj220 View Post
    There are evil EIIs. They exist. I've seen them.
    An EII who loves to use Se is not an EII
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    I'm not sure if she loved it per se -- she had dominatrix sort of complex. In this regard, one is tempted to say LSI would be a more fitting typing for her. However, I believe that was not her natural state, for some reason. I kind of envision her as a mentally unstable individual, probably as a result of some sort of abuse, who lacking a sense of control and security in the past, used the opportunity that job as a pysch ward nurse offered her to ease herself of any subconscious traumatic tension she might have had accumulated. Her main motivation being recovering some sense of control, which she saw threatened by the arrival of Jack Nicholson's character. But this is all speculation, and perhaps projection.

    If one acknowledges the validity of the theory that states that under extreme stress, the superego-ego functions invade the ego (and there even accounts of "cross-types" occurring), it can be reasonable to think that she could in fact be a very unhealthy EII, and that would not only explain her psychopathology (predating even that of her own patients), but would make sense as far a inter-type relations are concerned, as that would make her Jack Nicholson's character's Conflictor (under the pretense -- which makes perfect sense IMO -- that he is SLE).

    But you are right, ESI/LSI could work too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie84 View Post
    An EII who loves to use Se is not an EII
    She didn't like to use it. That's why she put everyone on meds and gave them lobotomies, hence the "evil" EII.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fear of sleep View Post
    She didn't like to use it. That's why she put everyone on meds and gave them lobotomies, hence the "evil" EII.
    Se doesn't only apply to violence, it's the entire process of intruding within another persons space, using force to accomplish your needs/wants.
    EII's have no desire to control or harm anyone, hence what Fi and Se PoLR is
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    Jack Nicholson: ESFp. Any role he plays automatically becomes that type.

    Gene Hackman and Al Pacino are ESFps of similar variety. They have an extreme talent at playing "angry", brutally honest roles. This is one aspect of the ESFp type that is often overlooked in favor of their more social traits. ESTp, for example, is not in the same way honest and angry as ESFp. They control themselves more in that respect, showing less of their "true" selves (a bit of a contradictory statement, I realize, as the control is part of their character).

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