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    preferably in the U.S.
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    Deltas could probably live anywhere, but...

    ESTj, Washington D.C. -- structure, government jobs, things are pretty clean.

    INFj, in the suburbs of a big city -- pretty surroundings and some nature are important.

    ENFp, New York City -- variety, nightlife, new people, artsy stuff.

    ISTp, on the edge of town -- anywhere laid back with easy access to outdoor sports, e.g. mountain biking, surfing, etc.
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    Or combine all four into Canberra, Australia.

    Sucked in, America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolanzon View Post
    Or combine all four into Canberra, Australia.

    Sucked in, America.
    I wouldn't live in Canberra even if you paid me in gold nuggets and chocolate truffles.

    Melbourne is the IEE capital of Australia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrong Way Ticket View Post
    I wouldn't live in Canberra even if you paid me in gold nuggets and chocolate truffles.

    Melbourne is the IEE capital of Australia.
    You say that like it's necessarily a good thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolanzon View Post
    Or combine all four into Canberra, Australia.

    Sucked in, America.
    Canberra's more of a hole than Adelaide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Errant View Post
    Canberra's more of a hole than Adelaide.
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    You say that like it's necessarily a good thing.
    My thoughts exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    Deltas could probably live anywhere, but...

    ESTj, Washington D.C. -- structure, government jobs, things are pretty clean.

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    not LA, and probably not NYC so much, either. Although I actually like NYC somewhat. I like DC more though.

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    Most of Northeast US, especially the New England region, perhaps with a few exceptions that mostly tend to lean towards Gamma. In Europe, I think most of Scandinavia and certain places in the western Mediterranean region, including France. Australia and New Zealand are hugely Delta. Much of Southern Africa, too. I'm not sure about Asia, but I would guess Japan and places like Hong Kong could be very Delta.
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    Everybody would want to live in a mansion that the LSE bought, like Phillip Banks on "Fresh Prince of Bel-Air"; they'd all want to have their own rooms there.

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    Perfect for ISTp: the mountains of Cali
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    states i think are notoriously delta:

    colorado, vermont, california(parts), oregon and washington.
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    Not Florida.
    Possibly some parts of colorado-nebraska

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    I think anywhere an ISTp would like (nature, isolated, open space, etc.) I would hate.

    I think this is why I keep meeting ENTps and ISTjs and what not. I just don't hang out in wide open spaces as it makes me claustrophobic with all that nature. And there are no restaurants or drug stores or anything. I feel secure knowing I can always pop into a store to get a bottle of water or a snack or something. Nature does not have that. sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    I think anywhere an ISTp would like (nature, isolated, open space, etc.) I would hate.

    I think this is why I keep meeting ENTps and ISTjs and what not. I just don't hang out in wide open spaces as it makes me claustrophobic with all that nature. And there are no restaurants or drug stores or anything. I feel secure knowing I can always pop into a store to get a bottle of water or a snack or something. Nature does not have that. sigh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    not LA, and probably not NYC so much, either. Although I actually like NYC somewhat. I like DC more though.
    I knew a guy (that I typed as a LSE) who once worked in DC as some sort of lawyer in "government affairs"; he used to describe DC as being a place where everyone flocked to the most important and most influential person.

    This along with with my impression of politics in general made me think it was a Se and Fe place.

    But then again I like to be where things are interesting, happening and cool. So I can sympathise and I guess if you're good at what politicians do, it would a good move regardless of type.

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    I just like the city. It was clean. Nice to see monuments, etc. I haven't lived there. But I enjoyed walking around it a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    for the most part I drink tap. This is just if I'm out and about and dying of sweltering heat.

    However, most bottled water is made of tap water anyway. It's just filtered and stuff. When it says "from a municipal source" on the bottle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    for the most part I drink tap. This is just if I'm out and about and dying of sweltering heat.

    However, most bottled water is made of tap water anyway. It's just filtered and stuff. When it says "from a municipal source" on the bottle.





    Bottle water is less regulated than tap water. And it's also more expensive and has a lot of unnecessary transportation costs, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    I just like the city. It was clean. Nice to see monuments, etc. I haven't lived there. But I enjoyed walking around it a lot.
    In London the government buildings are built to look as if they symbolises the stable centre of a "great" and ancient nation; you almost have the impression that if the buildings (and surrounding areas) are allowed to disintegrate the entire country will too.

    No idea of exactly what it means socionically... Se? Si? ESTj? ISTJ? Aristocracy? Fe?

    Anyway... just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryu View Post
    Not Florida.
    Which Quadra values, in your opinion, are the most suitable for Florida?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkster View Post
    Which Quadra values, in your opinion, are the most suitable for Florida?
    Lotsa gay dudes, and hot women with no one to hit on them. That's miama at least, right?

    Then you've got old people and aligators. Some sort of messed up, ni/se quadra



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    LOL
    “Whether we fall by ambition, blood, or lust, like diamonds we are cut with our own dust.”

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    I wonder, what type are aligators?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    I think anywhere an ISTp would like (nature, isolated, open space, etc.) I would hate.

    I think this is why I keep meeting ENTps and ISTjs and what not. I just don't hang out in wide open spaces as it makes me claustrophobic with all that nature. And there are no restaurants or drug stores or anything. I feel secure knowing I can always pop into a store to get a bottle of water or a snack or something. Nature does not have that. sigh.
    There are places with lots of nature that also have most things available, at least here in italy or in austria/schweiz (towns of approx. 50'000 inhabitants, idk if that's too low for your standard). Besides, water from rivers in the mountains is much, much better than any bottled water...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    There are places with lots of nature that also have most things available, at least here in italy or in austria/schweiz (towns of approx. 50'000 inhabitants, idk if that's too low for your standard). Besides, water from rivers in the mountains is much, much better than any bottled water...
    wow that's pretty cool. I've always been scared of natural water, but I guess Italy is pretty pure still?

    Are there many ISTPs there? Italian guys are hot. Maybe I should go.

    And I think alligators are ESTps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewels View Post
    wow that's pretty cool. I've always been scared of natural water, but I guess Italy is pretty pure still?
    Well, I thin that in the USA it should be sufficiently pure, too. As long as you drink it sufficiently near to some mountain source i.e. you've got to be at around 2000 metres, and not at the center of the valley but on the slope

    Are there many ISTPs there? Italian guys are hot. Maybe I should go.
    Lol, I think there's a fair share, I know 4 personally, although 2 of them have an ENFp girlfriend already.
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    What about Texas? Cant you blow someone away for driving up your driveway and get away with it? Seems like a cool place
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    Texas might not fit this criterion much longer
    preferably in the U.S.

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    Austin is definitely a Delta place, fwiw.
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    I think that Jekyll Island, Georgia is pretty Delta. With the beautiful scenery, all of the things to do there. With the beaches, serenity, and swimming. Some of the historical locations are Delta-y too. There are a lot of places to take nice, calm walks there.

    Yellowstone is Delta-ish with a lot of the scenery and animals (well the fact that it's pretty much a big volcano makes me question if it fits into the category) that could be the te side of things though if anything related to Delta.

    The Sierra National Forest as well.

    Animal Kingdom Park in Disney is the Delta-est of the Disney parks, but the rest of them aren't really imo. Animals in general, and the themes of keeping our environment safe, and healthy.

    Point Pleasant West Virginia too.

    Assateague Island, with the ponies on the beaches.
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    Not to be stereotypical here, but I would say that Norwegian culture is very Delta.

    I would also say that many (but not all) corporate environments are Delta.





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    Quote Originally Posted by StarPath View Post
    Not to be stereotypical here, but I would say that Norwegian culture is very Delta.

    I would also say that many (but not all) corporate environments are Delta.
    As a self-typed Delta, I hate corporate environments and most things associated with them.

    Bureaucracy, red tape, top-down (micro)management, formal protocols and hierarchies, slow career progression, stifled individualism and room for innovation/creativity... and when you add to that all the ways in which nepotism, unfairness and horrible relationships can thrive in these environments, it's hard to find things to like or aspire for. Not to mention how any semblance of work-life balance and job security—things traditionally associated with corporate jobs—is rarely to be found, especially these days.

    To put it simply, my personal values don't align with those that tend to define or be prominent in most corporate environments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lkdhf qkb View Post
    Corporate environment is very rational-minded. They are very hierarchical and things such as chain of command, seniority, are valued. Wildcards like EPs or lazy experts like Ips aren't tolerated. IME the types that do best in those environments are LSI, LSE & LIE with an enneagram 3 fix. When those types need someone to do customer/public relations/marketing, they hire EIE, EII & ESI, but those types never really move up the ladder.
    I agree with the points you're making, but I think EIEs often move up the ladder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by lkdhf qkb View Post
    The 'small family business' seems to be something very delta with sp first. Even more if the business provides real products/services that make one's life easier. Farmers markets, family hardwares stores, bakeries, carpentry firms, and so on.

    Agreed. Saying that I hope no SLI would open a medium scale business without constantly getting advice that contradicts with their thinking. Their positivity, opportunistic nature and short sighted approach constructs a recipe for bankrupt, have seen this happening more than I should and even after one or couple of bankrupts, they don't really grasp why it happened and improve/change themselves. Eventhough they care about freedom, working for a corporate would seem to suit them better than managing a medium scale business.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    Agreed. Saying that I hope no SLI would open a medium scale business without constantly getting advice that contradicts with their thinking. Their positivity, opportunistic nature and short sighted approach constructs a recipe for bankrupt, have seen this happening more than I should and even after one or couple of bankrupts, they don't really grasp why it happened and improve/change themselves. Eventhough they care about freedom, working for a corporate would seem to suit them better than managing a medium scale business.

    I think you’re underestimating SLIs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    I think you’re underestimating SLIs.
    I don't think that I am, because I don't say those thing solely or mainly based on theory but also what I have observed in real life. I know 4 SLIs who started their work life by openning a business and bankrupted more than 2 companies. They work in corporate world now. There are successful SLIs out there, so this isn't about their success really, however, without gaining enough experience, if they would open a medium scale business, chance of them succeeding is very unlikely. If you or someone else knows a different story, I would like to hear how it happened. Because it seems to me that this kind of thing is a result of their psyche. They see an oppurtunity, overly get confident and optimistic about things will work out without taking or evaluating measurements to prevent and control unknown unwanted outcomes, only think about these things when things start to get worse than it should be, then they can maneuver but again, they don't think about other things that could get out of hand, only control what they see that they can suffer from and finally find themselves in a situation that they can't maneuver.

    When SLIs tell me their stories of bankrupt, at the beginning of their story, I question whether did they X, Y to see whether they took preventative measures and they didn't, they seem to bothered that it pops to my mind so immediately, since those things made them bankrupt. They seem to apply the same approach again when they are working for corporates so I don't see any sign of improvement. When I again warn them about how things can go bad, they are more prone to brush it off or they don't take it seriously or put enough effort to it as they should.

    Every type has their own shortcomings in different kinds of areas. My main purpose to write that post was to warn SLIs about their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myresearch View Post
    I don't think that I am, because I don't say those thing solely or mainly based on theory but also what I have observed in real life. I know 4 SLIs who started their work life by openning a business and bankrupted more than 2 companies. They work in corporate world now. There are successful SLIs out there, so this isn't about their success really, however, without gaining enough experience, if they would open a medium scale business, chance of them succeeding is very unlikely. If you or someone else knows a different story, I would like to hear how it happened. Because it seems to me that this kind of thing is a result of their psyche. They see an oppurtunity, overly get confident and optimistic about things will work out without taking or evaluating measurements to prevent and control unknown unwanted outcomes, only think about these things when things start to get worse than it should be, then they can maneuver but again, they don't think about other things that could get out of hand, only control what they see that they can suffer from and finally find themselves in a situation that they can't maneuver.

    When SLIs tell me their stories of bankrupt, at the beginning of their story, I question whether did they X, Y to see whether they took preventative measures and they didn't, they seem to bothered that it pops to my mind so immediately, since those things made them bankrupt. They seem to apply the same approach again when they are working for corporates so I don't see any sign of improvement. When I again warn them about how things can go bad, they are more prone to brush it off or they don't take it seriously or put enough effort to it as they should.

    Every type has their own shortcomings in different kinds of areas. My main purpose to write that post was to warn SLIs about their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poptart View Post
    70% of businesses fail within the first 5 years.
    That might be true, but the things that they overlook are too obvious and they tend to disregard eventhough they are informed and don't change their general approach/perspective (they only change their approach to the spesific thing), eventhough they already experienced failure because of it.

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