Taylor Swift

[Cosmic Teapot]

summary below

- random songtext that vaguely reflects beta stereotypes
- nasty celebrities doing nasty things to each other because they have a nasty character not type


Article states that some of her songs don't refelct her values (or were not written by her) and emphasizing single words and statements that can be interpreted in more than one way is not a valid form of typing. Instead one could actually try to argue the heavy Fi content from the author and focus on the big picture.


"Since when do *type* do this?" We can play this misleading game with any sociotype.


"sacrificing her own needs for everybody else" - no. She knows her current worth for the music industry and abuses it to pressure apple into correcting unfair conditions. It's self-righteous at best but hardly sacrifice.

[Singu]

There's no way that this is rational:

"I try to implement as much spontaneity in my life as I possibly can"

"All those things are up in the air, and that's more exciting to me. I'd really like to let life happen, rather than have some weird plan for it. If I have a plan, you kind of force your life to take that course. I'd just want to let my life happen."

"sacrificing her own needs for everybody else" - no. She knows her current worth for the music industry and abuses it to pressure apple into correcting unfair conditions. It's self-righteous at best but hardly sacrifice.

Exactly, it doesn't matter whether it's real or pretense. What matters is the STRATEGY behind it. We can never be sure her motives are genuine or not, but we can definitely see the result. Her strategy is to say "This isn't about me, it's not about my own needs, it's about everyone else's", which is more Fe than Fi.

You're saying that she "abuses it to pressure apple into correcting unfair conditions" which was yes, my point.

[golden]

There's no way that this is rational:

"I try to implement as much spontaneity in my life as I possibly can"

"All those things are up in the air, and that's more exciting to me. I'd really like to let life happen, rather than have some weird plan for it. If I have a plan, you kind of force your life to take that course. I'd just want to let my life happen."



Exactly, it doesn't matter whether it's real or pretense. What matters is the STRATEGY behind it. We can never be sure her motives are genuine or not, but we can definitely see the result. Her strategy is to say "This isn't about me, it's not about my own needs, it's about everyone else's", which is more Fe than Fi.

You're saying that she "abuses it to pressure apple into correcting unfair conditions" which was yes, my point.

Lol @ "implementing" spontaneity though.

[Singu]

Lol @ "implementing" spontaneity though.

Well... there's a context to what she said. She was frustrated at the fact that her life is so planned out and meticulously scheduled due to her constant touring and such.

[golden]

Well... there's a context to what she said. She was frustrated at the fact that her life is so planned out and meticulously scheduled due to her constant touring and such.

Yeah, with both the statements she seems to be using the language of wishing how things were (trying" to implement unplanned things; conditional statements using "would"). It may not be that she's irrational, but that she'd prefer to have what she imagines a more normal life would be like. Dunno.

[Singu]

Yeah, with both the statements she seems to be using the language of wishing how things were (trying" to implement unplanned things; conditional statements using "would"). It may not be that she's irrational, but that she'd prefer to have what she imagines a more normal life would be like. Dunno.

This is the quote more verbatim:

"At this point, I don't know if I want someone else in my life, I don't know if I want a family, all those things are up in the air, and that's more exciting to me. Because I'd really like to let life happen, rather than have some weird plan for it. I think if you have a plan, for like, "I need to be married by this age, and then I need to have kids by this age..." you kind of force your life to take that course. And you might not end up with the right person, you might be making decisions under duress of your own plans, and I'd just want to let my life happen."

And this is kind of interesting, she is describing her mom who seems to be an ISTj, and she appears very receptive to her, and apparently they're very close:

"My mom is um... She's such an interesting person, because she's so sweet, and she's so warm, but she's also really really logical... and when I was growing up, she was very strict.

I always felt like I could tell her everything, and she was always that kind of affectionate, comfort type person when I needed comforting. But, she also kind of made sure that my brother and I knew about, like manners, and how to throw a party, and how to host people, and how to clean a house and all the things that you need to know as an adult so I've never felt unprepared for adulthood, because my mom had always been pretty strict with us, which now I appreciate. I used to be like 'Mom! Really?'"