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    Default Social mores, societal values, etc.

    In what way do you think these things are functionally related?
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    Hmm this is kind of a loaded question but,

    I said this before in another thread, but I believe that the 'real world' and how it's constructed is run heavily by Gammas and Deltas. No single function (or even two or three functions) contributes to something as complex as social mores or values, but I definitely think that as a whole they can be quadra-related.

    Alphas and Betas are the writers/entertainers that tend to see through the veil and see the bigger picture, Gammas and Deltas work harder and see the details better. You could probably say that Gammas and Deltas can't see the forest for the trees, but Alphas and Betas can't see the trees for the forest.

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    Therefore, Betas tend to be activists, and checking to make sure that the social mores that Deltas create are fair to people. Gammas tend to try to apply things to themselves, breaking taboos to achieve their personal vendettas. They're kinda split down the middle of how Belta and Delta operate I think.

    I said that Betas are pure leftists in that we tend to want to make sure that the laws protect our individual goals 'as long as we're not hurting anybody else.' Even though Deltas may be liberal themselves, they take a much more democratic approach. Ie an enfp or estj condescendingly telling an infp that "You know everybody feels that way sometimes but you still have to get up and go to work!" Deltas love community social organizations, but Betas tend to see how people get bullied and abused and their individualities wrecked in those kinds of structures.

    Alphas don't really give a shit, they're the least serious quadra and just want to make sure that they're doing everything they can to remain happy for themselves and their loved ones. So alphas tend to just happily follow the rules without much fuss or input themselves. They just obey while talking about the latest tv show they watched or whatever. They can still have really good insights, but they just aren't as serious as changing or effecting the world as the other three quadras. If they do see something wrong with the world it's done in such a jokey way that I'm not sure how serious they are. They make good commentary but probably won't actually DO much to effect things socially. Idk, this sounds kind of 'sloppy' but I think I'm generally right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Alphas and Betas are the writers/entertainers that tend to see through the veil and see the bigger picture, Gammas and Deltas work harder and see the details better. You could probably say that Gammas and Deltas can't see the forest for the trees, but Alphas and Betas can't see the trees for the forest.
    You're talking about Logic right now.

    @OP: Social mores try to limit everyone so that they can deal with each other. The people who have done the best job of complaining about others, and who have made the best case that what they do is necessary, have the most control of social mores. However, every quadra has some hand in them, since every quadra has at some time made a good case that the poorest uses of their unvalued functions are, well, bad.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    In what way do you think these things are functionally related?
    I think aristocracy and rationality primarily. There's can be a Fe/Ti aspect to it, but certainly not all Fe/Ti types embrace the social norm. (Maybe they tend to be more aware of it though, one way or another?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joy View Post
    but certainly not all Fe/Ti types embrace the social norm.
    Not all types of any sort embrace the social norm.



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    idk... I have yet to see an LSE who doesn't, even if they think they don't.
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    Personally I think social norms and expectations are mostly related to Ti. IME, the people who follow them most closely and purport their merit tend to be Ti/Fe types; however, the people who most actively question or oppose them also tend to be Ti/Fe types. Fi/Te types seem, by degrees, to take them for granted or ignore them.
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    Yeah, I think there's really something to be said about it relating to Fe/Ti types. Te/Fi types are more likely to say something along the lines of, "I never really thought much about it."

    My point about LSE's remains though.
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