I know. What I am saying is that there's nothing "special" about him. He's just a crazy guy with a gun. If someone were coming at me with a gun, it wouldn't matter who it was.Originally Posted by Jarno
I know. What I am saying is that there's nothing "special" about him. He's just a crazy guy with a gun. If someone were coming at me with a gun, it wouldn't matter who it was.
He was cold blooded (quite typical sign of Fi4) - that was his advantage.
Any type can be evil and do awful things. Particular ways of doing awful things can be correlated to specific types. INFps are likelier to turn into cold blooded killers. ENFjs are likelier to commit crimes out of passion, even towards people who did them no harm (i.e., Medea killing her children). Even EIIs can do the "evil delta" thing where you try to improve someone's life by controlling it, aiming to make like better and make it worse, etc. Now, types in beta, beta being the high risk-high reward quadra, may be more likely to do particularly violent things, maybe. But overall, anyone can do bad things. Not really type related.
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
Well, the main point of sociopathy is lack of empathy or compassion - it's basis for Fi 4 as well.
If you wanna check out serial killers, most of them are actually SLEs...
An ethical type would unlikely turn into a cold blooded killer - out of remorse and guilt.
Actually he seemed more LSI to me.
Please learn the theory before you begin to preach.
This is an absurd assumption.If you wanna check out serial killers, most of them are actually SLEs...
Ethical types can easily be sociopaths; the things people naturally pay attention to have little bearing on whether or not they can feel empathy.An ethical type would unlikely turn into a cold blooded killer - out of remorse and guilt.
1. How else would you describe4 in simple words if not as poor ability to empathize and create bonds with others? Listen how Kuklinski says that he never felt anything to the people he killed - he treated them as if they were 'things'. This is an extreme example of
2. 10 Worst Serial Killers of All Time take a look at these guys
3. "the things people naturally pay attention to have little bearing on whether or not they can feel empathy."
Well for ethical types it's actually core of their personality although they may be selective about sharing their empathy.
THANK you.
I'm sorry, I can't engage on a level this basic so early in the morning...my cogs have to turn for at least six hours before I can start lecturing newbies on the core principles of the theory that you are assumed to have understood by posting typings on this forum.
Go read Rick's website or something until my left brain wakes up.
And how can that be not related to socionical types and the information metabolism theory?
I believe that the information metabolism stems from our genotype. Our way of perceiving the reality is determined by our genes. Therefore our personality is conditioned by the information metabolism. Our deeds are determined by our personality...
Note that sociopaths, schizophrenics, and even autists in some cases and others are labels for specific traits of personality denoted as pathological. Note also that psychopathy or schizophrenia isn't equal to mental retardation.
You may not agree with it but that's how I see it.
With all due respect, please do lecture me because my5 is eager to understand better! Though we may not agree upon everything.
Koldj, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Sean has Fi polr. he's tough, he's direct , he'll challenge you, he'll sense when you are weak and emo and play with you. But he also has base human empathy. He won't cut you up in little pieces just cause he can, taking advantage of all emotions for his self gain. Sociopaths are *completely* disconnected from the emotions of others so much that when they hurt you they feel NOTHING inside, NOTHING AT ALL. (except for their own thrill)
And really I shouldn't give a defense to a claim so stupid, I know but *sigh*
I feel like you got it all this way:
All SLEs lack empathy -> most SLEs may be serial killers
while I said:
Richard Kuklinski is an SLE, he has a
I am sorry if I exaggerated my statements or wasn't precise with what I said. I was merely pointing out a corelation, not drawing a conclusion.
Does that sound better to you now and do you see my point?
BTW: Richard Kuklinski loved his family and softened up when his children were mentioned. Weird, eh?
Yes it is. Great explaination.
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Dual type(as per tcaudilllg)
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
Yes, mostly, but I really don't think that the relationship between the mind/spirit and the brain/body is quite that simple. But it is clear that assistance on the brain/body side (i.e., drugs) can have a profound effect on behavior, and presumably on the mind/spirit (or perhaps the difference between the mind and spirit is that the mind is affected and the spirit is not... hmmm...). Also interesting is the question of "in which of these spheres on in what relationship between them does socionic type lie?"
Not a rule, just a trend.
IEI. Probably Fe subtype. Pretty sure I'm E4, sexual instinctual type, fairly confident that I'm a 3 wing now, so: IEI-Fe E4w3 sx/so. Considering 3w4 now, but pretty sure that 4 fits the best.
Yes 'a ma'am that's pretty music...
I am grateful for the mystery of the soul, because without it, there could be no contemplation, except of the mysteries of divinity, which are far more dangerous to get wrong.
That's a good point. Since Socionics is still a theory it's never (I don't think) been tested to see how it links with the human brain and thus see how disorders may influence type.
For instance, it's possible that any type can be prone to psychopathy but, due to stereotypes, psychopaths may automatically be typed as Fi PoLR because of that.
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Haha, no. SLEs have no empathy, they try to care about you in their own way, but they can't ever really care. It makes you think how IEI & SLEs match up? Like IEIs care so much about the people they love even when we are messed up and SLEs don't know how. Fuck being IEI
IEI, sp/sx 4w3.
you've got a thing against SLEs at the moment.Haha, no. SLEs have no empathy, they try to care about you in their own way, but they can't ever really care. It makes you think how IEI & SLEs match up? Like IEIs care so much about the people they love even when we are messed up and SLEs don't know how. Fuck being IEI
did one do you wrong.
What people need to stop doing is taking actions which can be related to different functions (i.e. man on his deathbead holding hands with son or something =, etc etc) and actually applying those actions to socionic types. All types are capable of all functions and use them all on occasion; the base is just what they use the most.
I see my friends do this all the time; sometimes when something happens they blurt out something like 'that's so Si' or 'Haha, Fe'. Then they start to think that the action that they are describing is characteristic of all Si types and all Fe types and that types without those functions in their base are incapable of doing the same action. Not so; while it may be an 'Si' or 'Fe' action, it doesn't mean shit about the 16 types.
Yes, but energy in activity related areas is Socionics related.What people need to stop doing is taking actions which can be related to different functions (i.e. man on his deathbead holding hands with son or something =
I see my friends do this all the time; sometimes when something happens they blurt out something like 'that's so Si' or 'Haha, Fe'. Then they start to think that the action that they are describing is characteristic of all Si types and all Fe types and that types without those functions in their base are incapable of doing the same action. Not so; while it may be an 'Si' or 'Fe' action, it doesn't mean shit about the 16 types.
Dual type
Enneagram 2w1sw(1w9) helps others to live up to their own standards of what a good person is and is very behind the scenes in the process.
Tritype 1-2-6 stacking sp/sx
I'm constantly looking to align the real with the ideal.I've been more oriented toward being overly idealistic by expecting the real to match the ideal. My thinking side is dominent. The result is that sometimes I can be overly impersonal or self-centered in my approach, not being understanding of others in the process and simply thinking "you should do this" or "everyone should follor this rule"..."regardless of how they feel or where they're coming from"which just isn't a good attitude to have. It is a way, though, to give oneself an artificial sense of self-justification. LSE
Best description of functions:
http://socionicsstudy.blogspot.com/2...functions.html
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