The most confident I type?
Is there one I type that is supposed to be more confident than the rest? If so, why/how. To be honest, I think confidence is somewhat independt of types, but that's another story for another time. The question I'm asking all of you is if you think that any I type stands out as confidence. Not neccesarily a social confidence, but more so, a courage kind of confidence, etc. "Balls", guts, etc. That sort of thing.
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~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
ISTj.
, LIE, ENTj logical subtype, 8w9 sx/sp
Originally Posted by implied
istp
EDIT: istjs often lack confidence because they are supceptable to limiting beliefs
Edited for gayness.
ENTp
depends entirely on the person
i would say istj as well
INTp (Just a guess, I don't know much about the other types)
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Edited for gayness.
ENTp
It isn't ISTp. I adore my husband, but he kind of needs me to be his little cheerleader. He is really talented and smart but lacks self-confidence. From what I've read, that's pretty common among ISTps.
Sorry Rocky.
It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.-Mark Twain
You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Is it possible that you confused MBTI ISTP with Socionics ISTp? They are different types I believe.It isn't ISTp. I adore my husband, but he kind of needs me to be his little cheerleader. He is really talented and smart but lacks self-confidence. From what I've read, that's pretty common among ISTps.
Sorry Rocky.
I don't think so... do the same around me and if I am sufficiently provoked, I can say a lot of stuff that will attack your self-esteem and make you feel like a worthless idiot. I believe other NT types can do the same because Intuition allows them to see people "behind the scenes" and Thinking, especially Introverted Thinking, allows them to pinpoint flaws. This is why you do not want to provoke NTs over their self-control threshold, they can get revenge in a way that matters, and they can probably use their Thinking to justify their actions surpressing all guilt.LOL Just thow a temper tantrum around an IxTp and see how confident they are so not.
Do the same around an ISTj, and they will hit you for being dumb.
In any case, I think what you said has nothing to do with self-confidence.
Re: The most confident I type?
Regarding that particular kind of confidence UDP meant, I stick with ISTj.
@Rocky: I know what you're saying. ISTj's need to have no doubts is of course a form of lack of confidence, and if you do manage to weaken one of their cast-in-stone beliefs they get really shaken and look totally lost. But I don't think this is what UDP meant.
Edited for gayness.
ENTp
many of you have said ISTj.
Why, or how so?
I looked it up on the 16 types description... something to do with the sense of duty/loyalty aspect, or what?
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
The fact that this person can appear screaming in my face, throwing a huge emotional tantrum is already something that I can attack. By the way, don't expect me to fight back by screaming equally loudly or being just as emotional. That's not my style and that's certainly not how NTs do it. And if they are the kind of person that does not listen, well, there has to be a reason for that and it is sometimes very easy to figure out (our Intuition is just useful like that). But of course, if the person is really just emotional and just doesn't listen, then I will be content to know that this person will screw up in life somewhere and sometime soon and when it happens will be there saying, "Don't feel bad, your personality is so screwed up that you deserved it anyway!" or something more specifically crafted to attack their self-esteem. Do it enough time and I can assure you, it will sink in. And of course, enragement is a weapon too.
I have never actually gone this far because I am not easily provoked but I have gotten a glimpse of how I act during the "evil" moments of my life and can easily extrapolate from there.
Edited for gayness.
ENTp
@CuriousSoul: UDP specifically asked about the most confident I type. If we'd talk about all types, than I'd have to say ESTp or ESFp, too.
That sense of duty/loyalty thingy is from Oldham rather than socionics, anyway I have observed that in most ISTjs. I think it's a consequence ofPoLR with
role function.
The "guts, courage" kind of confidence you mentioned is usually associated with, which is the creative function of ISTjs. Types with
ISFjs also have
However, as Rocky also mentioned, ISTjs can be very lacking in confidence as to questioning their own beliefs. From this point of view, INTjs are much more confident. It all depends on what you mean.
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Oops, forgot to turn on my brain.Erroneous post deleted.
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Transigent, you make it sound as if emotions are actually highly valued in the real world. This is certainly not the case. Being emotional can be disastrous for you job and for you relationships. High emotions usually entail the loss of self-control and in general, it is not welcomed. This is a fact that I can easily use.
EDIT: I just realized that you were talking about making fun of the person about his or her emotions. That's not what I meant.
Using emotions to fight emotions is um... idiotic. I would rather use specially crafted words.
Most people will not take the hit after one comment but after a few situations and a few comments, they will feel the effects of it. It has been scientifically demonostrated that the human brain is just wired for inductive reasoning no matter what your thinking style is or how smart or stupid you are. That means, given a repetition of a few events, your brain just automatically "catches on" whether you are thinking about it or not and when that happens, the comments will then begin to take effect.
@CuriousSoul: UDP specifically asked about the most confident I type. If we'd talk about all types, than I'd have to say ESTp or ESFp, too.
That sense of duty/loyalty thingy is from Oldham rather than socionics, anyway I have observed that in most ISTjs. I think it's a consequence of
The "guts, courage" kind of confidence you mentioned is usually associated with
ISFjs also have
However, as Rocky also mentioned, ISTjs can be very lacking in confidence as to questioning their own beliefs. From this point of view, INTjs are much more confident. It all depends on what you mean.
Yeah, I know what you mean, especially in regards to the last paragraph.
With so many INTjs (supposed, and also, not neccesarily on this site), talking about how they are depressed and unconfident about things, I was beginning to wonder about things like this. I think I could see an ISTj being confident or unconfident, and most types for that matter, including INTj.
I wonder....... how foolish it is to associate confidence with types. Perhaps it would be better if I said it like "which I types have the best chances of becoming confident, and, why/how so?"
Yes, I pulled the loyalty/duty thing form the Oldham description on the 16types decription pages.
Hmm, perhaps this general word of confidence is too vague to get a decent answer from. If I think of something better, or more specific as to what I'm thinking of, I'll let you all know. The thoughts are appreciated, non the less.
Not everybody is that way, as you know. Those people could just as well call you cold, or heartless or insenstive, and they'd write you off. I know - I've been there.. (as I'm sure many have)Using emotions to fight emotions is um... idiotic. I would rather use specially crafted words.
Posts I wrote in the past contain less nuance.
If you're in this forum to learn something, be careful. Lots of misplaced toxicity.
~an extraverted consciousness is unable to believe in invisible forces.
~a certain mysterious power that may prove terribly fascinating to the extraverted man, for it touches his unconscious.
I disagree with ISTJs being confident in general, and Im in a pretty good postition to judge since I have three of them in my family. Granted I have little intimate knowledge of my grandma and uncle but my mom is not a very self confident person. Its true ISTjs have
I would say IxxPs appear more self confident in general than IxxJs, but thats just me. Im not sure if its any one type, but maybe perceiving just gives more spontaniety in social behavior for some reason.
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Introverted Types
@ Cheerio
I agree, ISTJs usually have a public/work role that often gives every indication of high confidence, but once you get close to them (like in a family) they are anything but confident. ISTJs are confident about the things they know, but not otherwise.
@ flower
The most confident introverted type. Same mistake that I made.
Having thought it over I have discovered that the most confident introverted type is actually ISTP for males and ISFP for females. Especially at young age the gender roles do actually play quite a large role in how easily the different types can adjust to society.
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Re: Introverted Types
That is a very good point, valid for ISFjs too. But the problem is that they often think they know something when they don't.
I agree with that empirically, but would there be a functional explanation?
Re: Introverted Types
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lol! I think perhaps there is a split in between quadras on the J/P axis that produces such attitudes. Like the Ps see the Js as condescending and know-it-alls, kind of like the Js are saying, "hey, your life sucks, let me make it better for you!"
/off-topic
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Re: Introverted Types
My comment was originally meant at ISTjs, as CuriousSoul mentioned; I added ISFj as an afterthought.
As I told you via PM, because I did not want to get too personal in the open forum, my most consistent male friend of the last 13 years is an ISFj ethical subtype, and the only woman I was 100% sure I wanted to marry in my entire life was an ISFj sensory subtype.
I have no agenda to bash ISFjs; since they are one of the types I know best, I feel comfortable to offer comment on them. Perhaps my Gamma
About ISFjs, I like your willpower and focus, your dedication to getting the job done, your modesty (in terms of not bullshitting about yourselves), your competence at work, your loyalty to friends, your appreciation of my
About ESFps, I like their improvisation skills and strength of will during a crisis, and their imperviousness to obstacles.
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Actually I think ESFps are very good tacticians. They suck in longer-term strategy, but good in short-term tactics. I mean also on the battlefield.
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sloan - rcuei
Well, ESFps and ISFjs are really sucky people.
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*hiss* at Cheerio.
Binary or dichotomous systems, although regulated by a principle, are among the most artificial arrangements that have ever been invented. -- William Swainson, A Treatise on the Geography and Classification of Animals (1835)
The most confident I type is simon cowell
lol.
Although some might say he's an ENTP. :wink:
EDIT/// but I have no desire to debate his actual type.
He entertains the shit out of me. I think he's an ISTj though. I may be wrong.
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