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    Yesterday I reunited with the Se-LSI I consider the closest friend/love of my life so far. (We hadn't seen each other in years.)

    Even though our relationship ended badly two years ago, with recriminations and yelling, when we saw each other again, we couldn't stop smiling, laughing, and talking.

    When we first saw each other, we both looked at each other and said, at the same time, "Wow."

    Immediately, it was as though the past--the bad in it, anyway--meant nothing. Our conversation was extremely easy and interesting.


    I'm increasingly shocked and amazed at how accurate Model A Socionics is... It's really amazing... This theory could change the entire world... Thank God for my dual.

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    JuJu supposedly you have me on ignore, but are you just trying out some propaganda technique for your journalism class or something?

    Seriously its textbook dude. wtf is your deal?
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    Huh..?

    I write a thread about reuniting with my dual and that is your response..? Something about propaganda..? (What's propaganda about reuniting with my dual?)

    I know you are young--but I know you're not a re re...

    I don't even know where you're at with this stuff you're writing to me... It seems crazy

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    I think I might get the idea behind your post...


    I report something positive about duality in Socionics--my personal experience no less--and you think it's propaganda for model A... (Wow!)

    Ever think I might just be posting about my experience..?


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    You jump to some insane conclusions, Archon Alarion... E.g. I saw that post you wrote about how you believe Niffweed--in posts and videos--distorts his whole personality so as to appear INTp to ppl online, when in fact he's (according to you) INTj... (That's totally fuckin nuts dude..!) This post of yours in this thread is almost equally crazy.

    I made this post bc I reunited with my dual and it was great... I can't believe how well Socionics describes the feelings that go with this phenomenon... That's what I truly believe, and that's basically what I wrote.

    What's propaganda about that? (Answer: nothing.) To reiterate: it's crazy that you even jumped to that conclusion.


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    Let's move on...

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    Or, propaganda that you're an EIE. Which Jake doesn't believe, probably.

    But agreed, Merry J duality is delicious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    I think I might get the idea behind your post...


    I report something positive about duality in Socionics--my personal experience no less--and you think it's propaganda for model A... (Wow!)

    Ever think I might just be posting about my experience..?
    Dude ya bolded your support and exaltation of model A. Its like the entire thing was just an excuse to push model a lol.

    and btw I hope you have many happy and exciting duality experiences, I have no inclination to dampen your anecdotes. I do not however feel you are being open about your motivations in making this thread however.


    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
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    You jump to some insane conclusions, Archon Alarion... E.g. I saw that post you wrote about how you believe Niffweed--in posts and videos--distorts his whole personality so as to appear INTp to ppl online, when in fact he's (according to you) INTj... (That's totally fuckin nuts dude..!) This post of yours in this thread is almost equally crazy.
    I actually never said this, I think it would be impossible to appear as another type especially one outside your quadra, AND I even made a post (in the Niffweed is LII thread) to explicitly clarify what I meant and that I did not in fact believe what you say I did.

    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    I made this post bc I reunited with my dual and it was great... I can't believe how well Socionics describes the feelings that go with this phenomenon... That's what I truly believe, and that's basically what I wrote.
    Thats great man good for you!

    However, its obvious you are using it as an excuse to push "model A" not just socionics in general. I am connecting your past actions on this forum to your current ones and seeing a pattern of strangely robotic sounding rhetoric and the ineivitable pushing of model a.

    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    What's propaganda about that? (Answer: nothing.) To reiterate: it's crazy that you even jumped to that conclusion.
    No its really not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu
    I'm increasingly shocked and amazed at how accurate Model A Socionics is... It's really amazing... This theory could change the entire world... Thank God for my dual.
    It's just the reality of functions, types, etc., not "Model A."
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    I wish I had a cat like that.
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    LOL!!!!

    yea, the cat's badass... i'm gonna name it... i was thinkin "Paranoid" or "Lulzington.." Any ideas?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    LOL!!!!

    yea, the cat's badass... i'm gonna name it... i was thinkin "Paranoid" or "Lulzington.." Any ideas?
    first name that came to mind was jesus (like the mexicans pronounce it -- hay-zoose)
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    HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

    Wow... Nick I laughed so fuckin hard at that!!! fuck...


    Jesus (Hay-Seuss) is perfect... (I think he's SLE.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

    Wow... Nick I laughed so fuckin hard at that!!! fuck...


    Jesus (Hay-Seuss) is perfect... (I think he's SLE.)
    my dual
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    Quote Originally Posted by strrrng View Post
    first name that came to mind was jesus (like the mexicans pronounce it -- hay-zoose)
    It's more like heh-zoose.

    The cat reminds me of this incredibly hot but psychotic ESI I frequently butt heads with in an MBTI forum. She has an angry bald cat in her av as well.
    What do these signs mean—, , etc.? Why cannot socionists use symbols Ne, Ni etc. as in MBTI? Just because they have somewhat different meaning. Socionics and MBTI, each in its own way, have slightly modified the original Jung's description of his 8 psychological types. For this reason, (Ne) is not exactly the same as Ne in MBTI.

    Just one example: in MBTI, Se (extraverted sensing) is associated with life pleasures, excitement etc. By contrast, the socionic function (extraverted sensing) is first and foremost associated with control and expansion of personal space (which sometimes can manifest in excessive aagression, but often also manifests in a capability of managing lots of people and things).

    For this reason, we consider comparison between MBTI types and socionic types by functions to be rather useless than useful.

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    Aha thanks sirknight for that post..needed that. Ya just a little stressed lately, back to to the actual topic. Apparently my mom knows The Ti-ISTJ's mom . And i also found some baby photos of her in my photo album...? Like when we were 5 or 6? Kinda weird, i wonder how this will turn out.

    I don't get it, every baby photo i look at I'm smiling. What is there to smile about when you're a kid? Kid's are just crazy
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    Yesterday I reunited with the Se-LSI I consider the closest friend/love of my life so far. (We hadn't seen each other in years.)

    Even though our relationship ended badly two years ago, with recriminations and yelling, when we saw each other again, we couldn't stop smiling, laughing, and talking.

    When we first saw each other, we both looked at each other and said, at the same time, "Wow."

    Immediately, it was as though the past--the bad in it, anyway--meant nothing. Our conversation was extremely easy and interesting.


    I'm increasingly shocked and amazed at how accurate Model A Socionics is... It's really amazing... This theory could change the entire world... Thank God for my dual.
    Glad you had such an enjoyable experience.

    And its connection to Model A socionics is?

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    Steve: this forum's about Model A Socionics. That's the connection.

    Do we need to go through this crap every time I make a post..? Why are you still bothering me, wasting my time?

    You and Archon are acting like leeches... Whenever I post you attach yourself to it, and start sucking.

    Please leave me alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    Steve: this forum's about Model A Socionics. That's the connection.

    Do we need to go through this crap every time I make a post..? Why are you still bothering me, wasting my time?

    You and Archon are acting like leeches... Whenever I post you attach yourself to it, and start sucking.

    Please leave me alone.
    Fine whatever. I'm just not sure why you made this post.

    This is how the post read: "Me and someone who I've typed as my dual got along great today, therefore this is evidence that Model A socionics (coming from you is a translation for "my understanding of Model A socionics") works".

    If you had a different intention feel free to correct me. I'm not sure what kind of response you were expecting, as there is no way to debate or validate your labeling of your experience. What kind of response did you hope people would write? Things like "That's great JuJu! Model A is great! You were right all along! Just from this example it proves you know your stuff!" ?

    But you're right, I guess it's not worth getting into this again.

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    This post is called EIE-LSI duality bc I was hoping to hear from other EIEs or LSIs about their experiences with duality...

    You two (Steve and Archon) are getting strange with your unsolicited comments/inferences as to my motives.

    I've asked you both numerous times to stop responding to my posts, as nothing good ever comes from them--we go through this same back-and-forth cycle again and again... The Juju-Steve/Archon Alarion posting pattern is:

    1) Juju says something
    2) Steve/Archon Alarion reacts in a touchy way
    3) Juju says something along the lines of "wtf is your problem? leave me alone."
    4) not heeding "leave me alone," Steve/Archon Alarion explains the 'problem' at length, usually text block-by-block
    5) JuJu says something along the lines of "you're wasting my time. stop."
    6) Steve/Archon Alarion either stops or doesn't stop... (sometimes there are more steps.)

    I don't understand why you two persist... I have nothing more to say to you... I do not care about either of your views on Socionics unless they've changed dramatically recently...

    You know what? I'll start hearing both of you out again as soon as you type either me and Dane Cook beta NF... You don't even need to get the type exactly right--just beta NF will be good enough... Then I'll assume you'll have pulled your heads out of the sand... Until then, don't waste my time/energy, posting after me and prompting me to write this same crap over and over again... All to no effect on you.

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    We're the ones who don't stop?

    For a good month straight, almost any thread where I offered my opinion, you would follow up with defamatory ad hominem responses, and I had asked you repeatedly to stop. I had addressed you in multiple posts, pointing out your hypocrisy, hoping it would end there.

    Then a day or so later, you post utter garbage on my wikisocion page trying to start something over there. You're 100% transparent, and a major hypocrite.

    I'll admit to taking the bait this time around, but you sir are in no position to preach to anyone about unsolicited comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    Yesterday I reunited with the Se-LSI I consider the closest friend/love of my life so far. (We hadn't seen each other in years.)

    Even though our relationship ended badly two years ago, with recriminations and yelling, when we saw each other again, we couldn't stop smiling, laughing, and talking.

    When we first saw each other, we both looked at each other and said, at the same time, "Wow."

    Immediately, it was as though the past--the bad in it, anyway--meant nothing. Our conversation was extremely easy and interesting.


    I'm increasingly shocked and amazed at how accurate Model A Socionics is... It's really amazing... This theory could change the entire world... Thank God for my dual.
    I think this is wonderful and hope it works out. Socionomics aside, it sounds like a great place to be.
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    Hmm, i just thought i might intrude here for a bit. I'm a little new to this community but i would like to share a little bit of my experience.

    So a little about me (course i'm not entirely sure of myself)

    Age: 17, Asian Boi (Fyi i'm not too tall either )
    Sadly i am a student
    Discovered MBTI around April 2009 (When i was in my late 16's)
    Then discovered Socionics around a month 1/2 ago.
    Type: ENFJ, EIE (i think Fe subtype), can care less about sp/so/sx for now and Enneagram
    Last but most importantly: I am a well rounded christian with a strong morale (so don discriminate pls ok thanku)

    At first glance, mbti seemed to accurately describe me and it got me into all the cognitive functions jazz. Now as i read up on socionics, it makes it much more confusing. It's so unbearable and i hope as i share, you ppl will help me answer some questions.

    EIE - LSI experience

    Now i know that this might sounds rare (or maybe not) but when i examine the situation i am in now, i have 2 theories. Note that i'm still more used to mbti types, i'll try my best to use the socionics type.

    My family

    Dad's side Dad: INTP (ILI)

    Mom's side
    Grandmother: ESTJ (LSE)(i think)
    Grandpa: ISTJ (LSI)
    Mom: ISTJ (LSI)

    Me; ENFJ (EIE)

    Mi mom and i are duals , we got into a lot of fights back then due her growing up in a chinese based culture and me (westernized sorta) have different means of communicating. I find it interesting how my dad doesn't wanna go out to dates with my mom anymore, well at least she got me

    I'll put in the theory later, continuing, y'know that me as a curious 17 year old EIE male. I am crazy about relationships, they're the one thing that I will focus a lot on. It's relationships that will make my life sparkly, connections will get me a job, i can have great sex , i can teach my children after marriage (augh ye). & [fill in the blank]. But i do have my limitations though, y'know how many EIE's have those dark times, lonely moments. So in this time i am very careful when picking friends...even more so relationships!!.

    My current friends right now, i've typed them as
    INTJ, INFJ, INTP, ISFP, INTJ again, ESFJ, ISTJ (mom ).
    All my male friends basically revolve around being a thinker type, ionno about other EIE's but i really do not like someone who is not too overly emotional and non-consistent, my ESFJ male friend can sometimes be annoying... Too much focus on his own problems ("Yo y'know i dropped my math course, it's not the teacher's fault, it's just me but like i'm getting like a 73 so i have to drop it") then he goes on about telling me the same thing for the next 3 days . Overall, thinking types fascinate me more than feeler types Although i really do like thinker types with feeler qualities. My first INTJ male friend had a good developed feeler side which i find quite rare. So it leads me to say this.. i think that an EIE male and LSI female would be more ideal compared to a LSI male and EIE female. I don't speak for all EIE's but i think even when i'm a feeler..males tend to have thinker qualities which balances out our feeler part. And LSI females being girls have some feeler qualities. I could be wrong but i hear the EIE wife complain that the LSI hubby (thinks he's always right"). Ionno about a switch in genders but i believe it to be more balanced ya. Afterall LSI females are excellent cooks (like my mom ). and ENFJ males are great mentors for their teen child. Ya see where i'm going at? ENFJ males have to teach their teens to be a MAN, or their daughter to find the right man. Ya moving along..

    It was only a month ago that i did something unnatural of me...there was this girl at church whom i've never noticed and I asked her if i could talk with her later". This was after an open discussion between many gr.12's at our church during retreat. We talked about life, school, stress, future and gud stuff like that, so i thought it would be an excellent time to just talk to someone that i didn't know so well. So i approached this person and when i asked her, she just gave me this "Thumbs up" sort of thing, makes me wonder sometimes... Ok anyways, she was more comfortable chatting on msn so we started from there.. Up until this point, I've talked with her a few times, not in too much depth but I'm pretty friendly with her. However what i found strange is, one time when i was speaking to her. She wouldn't look me directly in the eye, so I thought about LSI's being socially retarded or just shy when talking to a new person. Weeks after that i have been talking with her more, chatting more on msn (gawd she really loves msn la) and y'know just being friendly. Sometimes the time we spend on msn together can range from like just 5-10 minutes and one times we chatted for 3 hours. Which seems weird since I'd rather talk over on the phone or more ideally in person. Chatting on msn for 3 hours is like weird...seems fake but anywho my IDeas do let it rip online. Some info on her, she's been in a relationship with 2 guys back in elementary, but now she's single and doesn't think she's girlfriend material. I don't want her to fret over her past relationships. (Y"know her past relationships she didn't even go out on a date). Which kinda shows how unready she was back then. But hey who am i to judge, everyone has to stupid moments.

    She also has her group of best friends too and they voted her to be the last to be married . Which is sad :frown: but funny because she has a realllly fun group of girlfriends. I wish they were my friends , so much more fun than guys sometimes. They're like weirdos . And so I try to encourage her as much as i can that she is indeed gf material (just that she hasn't found the right guy yet). What's more saddening is that, her mom and her little sister thinks that she won't get married :frown::frown:...I completely disagree with her mom,

    At the end of the convo, she said this "You're pretty easy to talk to...". Like zomg wat we're just talking on msn? (Introvert much? Yes very..). This is what i found out from her.


    Her family:

    Mother: ENFJ (grr not super intuitive are we miss?)
    Dad: ISTJ
    Her: ISTJ (ye)

    then there's me! ENFJ + my family

    WOW, you know this is truly a rare moment, if i were to date this ISTJ, i can become best friends with her dad and also her mom! (Whom i believe is the Ni subtype, creative and such, improvises her cooking? ) and her dad who (thinks he's always right). Dude i can be best friends with her dad and my MOM can be best friends with her mom. Is this such a coincidence? How can life be so properly set up? Maybe it's a work of god, i believe so but nonetheless this is BIG NEWS to me. If she grew up in a dual family, and i also had experiences with a dual. Then wouldn't we naturally know how to attract one another? I'm really attracted to her even though she ain't a model, however she is attractive in her own way. Mind the "beauty is only in the eye of the beholder" and i go "Augh ye" to that. Amen people.

    I have many plans for this relationship, if it does go well. I do intend to meet her parents and make them my 2nd set of parents . Afterall, most long lasting marriages are not just "romantic love" but from arranged marriages. So parents play a big role in a christians dating life and also for non-christians too. Friends, I'm pretty psyched up about this. It's like "happy times' all over again. Just think, she has dual parents. If we dated. then history will repeat itself all over!! I know i'm idealizing this relationship a little too much, but i'm willing to give it my all if we make this happen. I pray to god so much and after that I'll let him finalize the action. Tis going to be one long gr.12 year. I'm already 1 step or multiple steps above all other students. I have Mi God, i have MBTI/Socionics and I'm an EIE going into business management. So like, "WOOoooAAaaaa" ya you get the point. I'm made for this stuff la.

    Heh, that's just my little story, sorry if i typed too much or gone off tangents. I'm really passionate about this topic and it makes me so excited . This thread better not die on me now .

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    thanks for sharing...hopefully she works out for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peteronfireee View Post
    thanks for sharing...hopefully she works out for you

    LOL, yeah, this sums up my thoughts too. Good luck there RLB!

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    Augh yeh, but y'know i do have a few (alot) questions that i'm no too sure of.

    1. What subtype am i, i think i'm an Fe, and i'm not too creative either...cept i have done art before. I think she's a Ti subtype along with my mom, but i want to be sure*

    2. If nature plays a trick on us, and hardly anyone notices their duals. How come there's a high percentage of dual relationships? (30% or 45%)
    http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...s-duality.html
    Here it says

    3. I wanna know how LSI's will react in some situations. Need to know more about LSI and how to "wow" them. Overall i do "know" how to love someone.

    4. I'm not sure about this but i hear some INTJ's can't stand ESFJ's...in theory they would go hand in hand. But ionno la, they're from INTJ forum.

    Other questions. Can someone with good knowledge of MBTi and Socionics Pm me? or even add me on msn ? It's just my name right now but with @hotmail.com.

    O ya just so you all know, we're both asians..both short ppl..both christians . Both like korean culture and sorta abandoned our chinese culture . If you want more info on her of our progress i'll be willing to share

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    Ouu.. you say "But if people are honest with themselves, their true intuitions and feelings, they have a pretty good chance of finding someone who they will pair with for life"

    Intuition and sensors don't click together lol. Do sensors even use intuition?

    Note: Feelings can sometimes be just hormones la. . Course I'd rather skip the hormones and go straight to level headed thinking when picking my spouse.
    Then again i do agree with you on the "common interests" part. Even though we take on a different approach to things. Would be a lot of fun if we both tried learning korean

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    ReiLingBaz, you're in a good position, it seems--with all of those beta rationals around That's an ideal support system for a EIE-LSI relationship. Good luck!!

    I'll try to answer the questions you posed in the message above your last.

    1. EIE Subtypes: EIEs are famous for 'sinking in doubts.' If you're good at disguising those doubts with a smile, I'd say you're more likely to be Fe-EIE... If you're more likely to use them to fuel sarcasm, Ni-EIE. Just a personal observation. Fe-ENFj is the most animate Sociotype.

    2. I wouldn't be surprised if 40% or more of couples were dual couples... From what I've noticed, people tend to be drawn into friendships w/ people in their own quadra (whether at school or work, or wherever.) It seems that nature does play a trick--duals, especially at first, are hard to notice as anything special... But as you hang out more and more with your dual, the compatability becomes obvious... It's just comfortable.

    3. Wowing LSIs? They react positively to positive emotion--however, they can smell phoniness a mile a way(so to say.) Positive emotion can come from a movie or dancing, or just making a stupid face... They're emotional adrenaline junkies (esp positive emotions.)

    4. I doubt those people understand socionics.

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    Reiling, you sound really idealistic about this whole thing, and you are quite young. It's quite embarrassing to read your posts actually... it's kind of cringe-worthy in terms of your intense optimism and lack of real understanding of Socionics. The whole thing with being Christian + very 'azn' too .... lol. The stuff you're saying is just you jumping to conclusions from the few things you have read. You are very seeking, for sure. You want all these solid conclusions and answers to your questions but things are much more complicated than that and there won't be one answer, but many explanations with supporting data. Just try not to get too involved in typing people (it messes you up, trust me) and don't get too bent on the ideal of finding a dual - ie: "Quest for the Dual" thing under your username. People of all types may potentially be a good match. But I do wish you luck, keep us updated, at least for the lolz


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    Quote Originally Posted by JuJu View Post
    ...They're emotional adrenaline junkies (esp positive emotions.)
    That pretty much sums it up.

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