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    Quote Originally Posted by fear of sleep View Post
    I'm not saying there is inconsistency in the model, I'm saying there is inconsistency in the characters that don't fit the model, so the writer's intentions and attitude should be taken into account.
    Yet this is what you do when you don't know why a model is inconsistent. You don't try to fix the model because you don't know the solution. You rather try to fix the intentions of the characters to whatever sounds logical, and whatever sounds logical becomes the new system.

    No, I am not trying to get into that kind of distortion. I am well aware of what needs to be fixed and what needs to be left alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    Yet this is what you do when you don't know why a model is inconsistent. You don't try to fix the model because you don't know the solution. You rather try to fix the intentions of the characters to whatever sounds logical, and whatever sounds logical becomes the new system.

    No, I am not trying to get into that kind of distortion. I am well aware of what needs to be fixed and what needs to be left alone.
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    You are missing my point. I'm not bound to join any understanding that has false pretenses, yet I don't imply that I dislike the variables given. I only question those who distort the meaning of type, rather those who don't know which variables to look at and which are inconsistent. Your use of the word "like" out of relevancy to anything I have said suggests that you would not be able to accurately depict the writer's means in the first place. So why do you defend something you show little regard to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by polikujm View Post
    You are missing my point. I'm not bound to join any understanding that has false pretenses, yet I don't imply that I dislike the variables given. I only question those who distort the meaning of type, rather those who don't know which variables to look at and which are inconsistent. Your use of the word "like" out of relevancy to anything I have said suggests that you would not be able to accurately depict the writer's means in the first place. So why do you defend something you show little regard to?
    Alright, here's a little Fi/Se suggestion and it applies to everything--not just this thread. Don't ask people to do something for you (like type fictional characters) and then make snide fucking remarks when they don't adhere to your standards. That just makes you a jackass. Thanks for playing.
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    You believe I was referencing my standards via insulting your displayed typing abilities alone? I am referencing your submission to the opinions within this very forum, that you seem to willingly fasten yourself to in order to further something as long as it can be furthered. Yet that something is not important to you. You are the one who is playing.

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    Does anyone know the type of Nien Nunb? Sometimes I see it spelled Nien Numb.

    I ask because a friend of mine...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    IMO Anakin is SEE and Vader is ESI.
    Hey! love this one. Agreed.

    Hey yall. I really really don't think luke is an ENPF.... really.
    IEE

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    R2-D2: LII-Ti
    C-3PO: R2's ESE-Fe gay lover
    Luke: IEE-Fi
    Leia: LIE-Ni
    Han: SEE-Se
    Chewie: ESI-Fi
    Obi-Wan: EII-Ne
    Yoda: EII-Ne
    Qui-Gon: IEE-Ne
    Mace Windu: ESI-Se
    Anakin: SEI-Si
    Padmé: IEE-Fi
    Palpatine: LIE-Ni
    Darth Maul: LSI-Se
    Count Dooku: LIE-Ni
    Darth Vader: LSI-Se
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    My guesses:

    Luke: SEI Probably not an Se seeking type. Quiet, shy, good-natured, encouraging, and tends mostly to stay out of people's way. Has a semi-rigorous system of personal values that he prioritizes (demonstrative Fi). Some NF (esp. EII) is also a good possibility, but a major theme throughout the films is that he seems to need Ne egos (like Obi Wan and Yoda) to convince him of his great potential, otherwise he's pragmatic and down to Earth.

    R2D2: ILE Quite the rambunctious little fellow, always poking his nose where it doesn't belong and getting into trouble. Puts himself in dangerous situations without a second's thought, usually to satisfy his curiosity. Expert with computer systems.

    C3PO: ILI Not sure about the typing, but his standard routine is criticizing R2s "experimental" decisions and acting like a foil for him.

    Leia: LSE
    Han: SLI Si can be bad ass too! I don't see him taking much initiative to form permanent bonds with people, but forms relationships after the fact. So it's a better typing than SEE IMO.
    Lando Calrisian: Fi creative

    I don't see the point in commenting on the rest of them because there's been a lot written already.

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    With C3PO, do you see an ILI being a clucking, overbearing mother hen?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thanks Arthur View Post
    With C3PO, do you see an ILI being a clucking, overbearing mother hen?
    Actually, just this morning, I was thinking that he reminds me of some EIEs I know.

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    Perhaps. My own guess would be a caricature of an ESE. Similarly perhaps with Kryten from Red Dwarf.

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    Hm. You could be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jxrtes View Post
    My guesses:

    Luke: SEI Probably not an Se seeking type. Quiet, shy, good-natured, encouraging, and tends mostly to stay out of people's way. Has a semi-rigorous system of personal values that he prioritizes (demonstrative Fi). Some NF (esp. EII) is also a good possibility, but a major theme throughout the films is that he seems to need Ne egos (like Obi Wan and Yoda) to convince him of his great potential, otherwise he's pragmatic and down to Earth.

    R2D2: ILE Quite the rambunctious little fellow, always poking his nose where it doesn't belong and getting into trouble. Puts himself in dangerous situations without a second's thought, usually to satisfy his curiosity. Expert with computer systems.

    C3PO: ILI Not sure about the typing, but his standard routine is criticizing R2s "experimental" decisions and acting like a foil for him.

    Leia: LSE
    Han: SLI Si can be bad ass too! I don't see him taking much initiative to form permanent bonds with people, but forms relationships after the fact. So it's a better typing than SEE IMO.
    Lando Calrisian: Fi creative

    I don't see the point in commenting on the rest of them because there's been a lot written already.
    I had previously guessed that Luke might be IEE, but I find your argument for SEI compelling. SEI is now in the lead in my mind; I shall have to investigate further.

    I agree with Han being SLI, though with a fairly low degree of certainty. R2-D2 being ILE is unexpectedly obvious in hindsight. I'll have to think about Leia being LSE, though. She's hard to pin down. It's an intriguing possibility though.

    I have no idea about Threepio.
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    Darth Vader would be a good guy if you just forgive him and love him as much as possible. But then there would be no story I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Darth Vader would be a good guy if you just forgive him and love him as much as possible. But then there would be no story I suppose.

    I did and he's still a prick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Darth Vader would be a good guy if you just forgive him and love him as much as possible. But then there would be no story I suppose.
    yea star wars as a whole is more about vader than luke, when you factor in the first three episodes.

    First one --> childhood, coming of age story
    Second one --> teen angst, love story
    Third one --> once again emo/teen angst, tragedy
    Fourth one --> beginning of the hero cycle for luke
    Fifth one --> typical middle of trilogy (dark one)
    Sixth one --> typical finale of trilogy, also resolves ep 1-3 plotlines

    lol I hate to get all scholarly about it, but the form is kind of like, the first hero that is presented is vader, and he is followed, but he falls, the second hero that is presented is luke, and he is followed, but he succedes, and also redeems vader, the fallen hero. The idea is that while great ambitions may fall, their is redemption in the new younger generation, and in a way that generation reaches back and heals the failures of the older generation, mix that with the mythological/spiritual symbolism, and you got some major themes. I don't know if george lucas was but he studied mythology in depth and he has a couple of interviews talking about it, he wrote star wars and then later learned it followed basic mythology archetypes and forms. The hero cycle, the wise old man (obi wan), etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaveLucidDreamz View Post
    yea star wars as a whole is more about vader than luke, when you factor in the first three episodes.

    First one --> childhood, coming of age story
    Second one --> teen angst, love story
    Third one --> once again emo/teen angst, tragedy
    Fourth one --> beginning of the hero cycle for luke
    Fifth one --> typical middle of trilogy (dark one)
    Sixth one --> typical finale of trilogy, also resolves ep 1-3 plotlines

    lol I hate to get all scholarly about it, but the form is kind of like, the first hero that is presented is vader, and he is followed, but he falls, the second hero that is presented is luke, and he is followed, but he succedes, and also redeems vader, the fallen hero. The idea is that while great ambitions may fall, their is redemption in the new younger generation, and in a way that generation reaches back and heals the failures of the older generation, mix that with the mythological/spiritual symbolism, and you got some major themes. I don't know if george lucas was but he studied mythology in depth and he has a couple of interviews talking about it, he wrote star wars and then later learned it followed basic mythology archetypes and forms. The hero cycle, the wise old man (obi wan), etc...
    I loved how there was a sort of flip in my thinking about IV,V,and IV after seeing III. I agree the story really was about Vader in the end, and how he does in the end fullfill the prophecy about him bringing balance to the force by choosing to go to the light side after falling to the dark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bionicgoat View Post
    I loved how there was a sort of flip in my thinking about IV,V,and IV after seeing III. I agree the story really was about Vader in the end, and how he does in the end fullfill the prophecy about him bringing balance to the force by choosing to go to the light side after falling to the dark.
    yea I kind of thought that flip in thought was cool also, the entire time I looked at star wars as pretty much a cut and dry hero story about luke.

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    I've only typed three of them.
    Luke-IEI
    Leia-LIE
    Han-SLE
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    Luke: SEI
    Leia: IEE
    Han: SLI
    Chewy: don't know can't understand him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Words View Post
    Luke: SEI
    Leia: IEE
    Han: SLI
    Chewy: don't know can't understand him
    Leia is too serious to be IEE.
    Han seems quite Beta and full-of-himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Director Abbie View Post
    Leia is too serious to be IEE.
    Han seems quite Beta and full-of-himself.
    Possibly or not, or perhaps I'm typing the actors themselves, in which case i'd give Chewy ILI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BulletsAndDoves View Post
    Darth Vader would be a good guy if you just forgive him and love him as much as possible. But then there would be no story I suppose.
    Any bad-guy who feels bad about what he's done at the end isn't really a bad-guy to me. The real bad-guy was the senator.

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    Han and Leia strike me as an SEE-LIE activity pair. Chewbacca seems to be Han's ESI mirror. Luke, I'd type as some sort of Delta NF.
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    Default Star Wars Typings (original)

    Luke: ISFp
    Obi-Wan: INFp
    Yoda: INTj
    Darth Vader: ISTp
    Emperor: INTp
    Princess Leia: INFp
    Lando: ESTp
    C3PO: INFj
    R2D2: ESFp

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    Han Solo: ISTp?
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    Luke: INFp
    Obi-Wan: INTj (Compared to Qui-Gon Jinn, otherwise, INFj is an option as well.)
    Qui-Gon Jinn: INFj
    Count Dooku: ISTj
    Darth Maul: ISTp (hard to type, it's just a guess)
    Yoda: INTj
    Boba/Jango Fett: ISTp
    Darth Vader: ISTj
    Anakin: ENFj
    Emperor: ENTj
    Princess Leia: ENFp?
    Lando: ESTp
    C3PO: INFj
    R2D2: ???
    Han Solo: ISTp
    Mace Windu: ESTj
    Padme Amidala: INFp
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    Luke: INFp
    Obi-Wan: INTj (Compared to Qui-Gon Jinn, otherwise, INFj is an option as well.)
    Qui-Gon Jinn: INFj
    Count Dooku: ISTj
    Darth Maul: ISTp (hard to type, it's just a guess)
    Yoda: INTj
    Boba/Jango Fett: ISTp
    Darth Vader: ISTj
    Anakin: ENFj
    Emperor: ENTj
    Princess Leia: ENFp?
    Lando: ESTp
    C3PO: INFj
    R2D2: ???
    Han Solo: ISTp
    Mace Windu: ESTj
    Padme Amidala: INFp
    yes, this, anyway I think obi wan more INFj than INTj, comparing to Yoda who is really more INTj. For princess leia I hesitate beetween IEI, IEE(-Fi) or EII... I dont remember darth maul saying something into the show, so typing is hard.
    C3PO: INFj >> lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by noid View Post
    yes, this, anyway I think obi wan more INFj than INTj, comparing to Yoda who is really more INTj.
    Yeah, you could be right about this one. It's weird, he is one of the main characters and appears in every movie, but he's still hard to type. The constant development of his character might actually be the reason, maybe he changes too much throughout the series. However, in "Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace" I thought you could see the contrast between Obi-wan as a thinker and Qui-Gon as a feeling type.
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    I was really let down when I opened this thread and read the OP.
    I had entirely different expectations.

    I thought this thread was exactly its opposite, I thought we were going to be assigned star wars personality types and was very enthused and ready.

    How unrealistic of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crazedratsshadow View Post
    Luke: ISFp
    Obi-Wan: INFp
    Yoda: INTj
    Darth Vader: ISTp
    Emperor: INTp
    Princess Leia: INFp
    Lando: ESTp
    C3PO: INFj
    R2D2: ESFp

    Luke Skywalker: SEI-Fe 9w8 so/sx
    Obi-Wan Kenobi: LII-Ne 6w5 so/sx
    Qui-Gon Jinn: ESE-Fe 8w7 sx/so
    Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader: SEE-Se 8w7 sx/sp
    Padme Amidala: IEI-Fe 3w4 sx/so
    Emperor Palpatine: EIE-Ni 8w9 sp/so
    Princess Leia: LSE-Te 1w9 so/sp
    Han Solo: SEE-Se 7w8 sp/sx
    Chewbacca: ESI-Se 6w5 sp/sx
    C3PO: EII-Ne 1w2 so/sp
    R2D2: Alpha Irrational
    Yoda: SLI-Si 9w1 so/sp
    Mace Windu: LSE-Te 8w7 so/sx
    JarJar Binks: IEE-Ne 7w6 so/sx
    Jaba the Hutt: ILI-Te 5w6 sp/so
    Lando Calrissian: ESE-Si 3w2 sp/so


    Personally I think these types are fairly consistent throughout the story.
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    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrangea View Post
    I was really let down when I opened this thread and read the OP.
    I had entirely different expectations.

    I thought this thread was exactly its opposite, I thought we were going to be assigned star wars personality types and was very enthused and ready.

    How unrealistic of me.
    We can do that too, actually it sounds like fun.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EyeSeeCold View Post
    Han Solo: ISTp?
    Only in MBTI.

    Leia is obviously EJ temperament and is, IMO, clearly his Beneficiary.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by noid View Post
    Luke: INFp
    Obi-Wan: INTj (Compared to Qui-Gon Jinn, otherwise, INFj is an option as well.)
    Qui-Gon Jinn: INFj
    Count Dooku: ISTj
    Darth Maul: ISTp (hard to type, it's just a guess)
    Yoda: INTj
    Boba/Jango Fett: ISTp
    Darth Vader: ISTj
    Anakin: ENFj
    Emperor: ENTj
    Princess Leia: ENFp?
    Lando: ESTp
    C3PO: INFj
    R2D2: ???
    Han Solo: ISTp
    Mace Windu: ESTj
    Padme Amidala: INFp
    yes, this, anyway I think obi wan more INFj than INTj, comparing to Yoda who is really more INTj. For princess leia I hesitate beetween IEI, IEE(-Fi) or EII... I dont remember darth maul saying something into the show, so typing is hard.
    C3PO: INFj >> lol
    Actually I would say that Qui Gonn seem ESE: he is archetypally Alpha, functioning within the boundaries of the Delta "system" but pushing to expand them without a drastic schism and having no problems disobeying directly, and I think EJ temperament works very well, especially considering Obi Wan IJ.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Chewbacca: ESI-Se 6w5 sp/sx
    Why do you think he's ESI? I'm not saying it's wrong, but I didn't type him because I have too little to go on.

    Regarding Qui-Gon Jinn: I think he seems too withdrawn and contemplative to be extrovert, and he's rigidly following his own moral system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
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    yes, this, anyway I think obi wan more INFj than INTj, comparing to Yoda who is really more INTj.
    Yeah, you could be right about this one. It's weird, he is one of the main characters and appears in every movie, but he's still hard to type. The constant development of his character might actually be the reason, maybe he changes too much throughout the series. However, in "Star Wars: Episode I – The Phantom Menace" I thought you could see the contrast between Obi-wan as a thinker and Qui-Gon as a feeling type.
    I agree with this, definitely, but I think that Obi Wan represents an archetypal Alpha IJ, being strict in his attitudes but still willing to push boundaries and do whatever is necessary and disregard the Fi "rules" of the Republic in order to get shit done.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
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    Quote Originally Posted by MegaDoomer View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Gilly View Post
    Chewbacca: ESI-Se 6w5 sp/sx
    Why do you think he's ESI? I'm not saying it's wrong, but I didn't type him because I have too little to go on.
    Well he seems generally sort of IJ, he's kind of always in the background and seems reliable. I don't think he can really be typed but I guess ESI just kind of makes sense with Solo as SEE.

    Regarding Qui-Gon Jinn: I think he seems too withdrawn and contemplative to be extrovert, and he's only following his own moral system.
    I agree that he seems very internally conflicted, but I think that is more a result of sx/so stacking and living in an obviously trying time rather than introversion. I think he is obviously ethical and extroverted compared to Obi Wan: he takes the initiative, suggesting new "projects" and always being the first to put his personal spin on things; classic Alpha Extrovert, and he is obviously guided by his sense of personal ethics which is unconnected to the Republic or anyone around him, which smacks of Democratic ethics. IMO he is too daring, too much of a risk taker and a hot-shot to be Se PoLR at all; he is always improvising, changing plans mid-swing and coming up with something new on the fly, which is characteristic of strong Se; contrast to Obi-Wan, who appreciates this characteristic in the calculating Qui-Gon who is always on a mission and does the things he does for a very specific reason, but is totally unnerved by it in Anakin who seems to take more of a thrill from, and just naturally live in, that state of unbridled improvisation and "don't-give-a-fuck"ness.

    On a related note, I think that Anakin and Obi-Wan as conflictors makes a lot of sense of why Anakin turns out the way he does. He loves Obi Wan and they are extremely good friends, but they represent to each other the kind of force in the universe that is responsible for things going wrong the way they are: to Obi-Wan, Anakin is reckless and ambitious, the kind of person without discipline or restraint, only looking out for his own good and taking what he wants; to Anakin, Obi-Wan is a bit of a drone, having independent thoughts and feelings but too afraid to act on them, blindly following the system and not thinking enough about what can be done to really start changing the way things are. Perhaps it was subconsciously his tense, demure, over-cautious mentor that drove him to take such radical actions and seek out the psychological contrast that ultimately leads to his siding with Palpatine.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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    ^ Those are good explanation. Qui-Gon really seems very proactive which matches better with extroversion. Also regarding Obi-Wan as INTj it makes sense. But don't you think Anakin and Vader get different types? Technically, they're the same person, but they seem to be very different.
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    No, I think SEE fits both Anakin's wonderlusting free-wheeling power-hungry romanticism as well as his unwavering loyalty to EIE benefactor Palpatine. "Darth Vader" doesn't deserve a different type because he is essentially a drone; his "personality change" into a more austere, authoritative jerk doesn't really merit a "type" change so much as it shows how far he has fallen.
    But, for a certainty, back then,
    We loved so many, yet hated so much,
    We hurt others and were hurt ourselves...

    Yet even then, we ran like the wind,
    Whilst our laughter echoed,
    Under cerulean skies...

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