He looks cheerful
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It's interesting you mention INFp. To me he looks like he's in touch with his emotional side, but overall tries to look tough, hard, sort of thing. I could be completely wrong, but, i'm only giving my opinion from a 'VI' point of view. He looks like he tries to be tough but could cry easily, sort of like he values Se but is quite an emotional chap, in this instance emotion being Fe.
Although he looks as he does, Ni base, sort of glazed look, for want of an expression, is there.
I think the sort of thing i'm eluding to could fit a male INFp quite well, possibly someone, ie a guy, who's also aware of male sex stereotypes so has to be tough with that, a certain amount of perhaps feeling he has to go to some complicance with gender expectations. So INFp is plausable from his picture.
Also, he has in a way, some sort of look about him which reminds me of strrrng.
Hmm, sorry if any of this is wrong, but it's a VI thread and those are my thoughts, and on it, INFp I would say, fwiw.
You've described him almost perfectly, actually. I think you hit the nail on the head with why he would come off as trying to look tougher than say, me. He is usually off in another world, as am I and people frequently have to snap us both out of it, lol. He is a very, very emotional person, which I don't think everyone understands. It's why we're so comfortable around each other.
LOL, I had the exact same thought about some of his pics reminding me of strrrng and I find it comical that strrrng can be so adverse to some of these things he makes such a point to speak out about (ie. posturing). Sounds like defensiveness every time he mentions this, lol. I wonder if it's just painful to see in others what you abhor in yourself? Your own weaknesses? Hmmmm.
maybe a saint is just a dead prick with a good publicist
maybe tommorow's statues are insecure without their foes
go ask the frog what the scorpion knows
Maybe I'm an autistic IEE.![]()
^lol.
Actually, I think IEI is an interesting suggestion as well.
especially given this:I mean if he's trying to look "tough" and "hard" to cover his vulnerable side in an environment where you need to be "tough" then that could make sense with Se DS (or HA).He is usually off in another world, as am I and people frequently have to snap us both out of it, lol. He is a very, very emotional person
I'm just not sure why he's coming off the way he is in some of those pictures.
ILE, IEI..?
You are all hopeless.
Hmmm, let's see...he doesn't walk around acting all tough and being an asshole, if that's what you mean. I think it's more subconsciously ingrained in gender stereotypes than that and not that obviously apparent. He does, to some extent, try to hide how much his world revolves around his feelings, but who doesn't! Especially if you know just how vulnerable you really are, you are not just going to put your vulnerability out there for anyone to step on. I mean, geez, I sure as hell don't. It's one of the reasons I can come off as aloof sometimes and even a bitch at other times. Defense mechanisms ftw!
Actually, maybe I do question myself too much, because the more I think about it, there isn't much of a chance he is an ST at all. I've been around STs plenty and it's a totally different vibe. I sense the same deep sensitivity in him as in myself and he identifies himself in terms of feelings. And by deep I mean in the "still waters run deep" kind of way. And again...abstract, romantic ideals ARE his focus in life. You should see us together, whether in person or in writing, it's like we're constantly suspended in some parallel universe or something.
I say....FUCK SOCIONICS! lol hmm![]()
Nope, I wouldn't say so. Fi leading, not very likely, as well as rational.
Honestly, I feel pretty strongly that we are in the same quadra (whatever that may be), and more than likely are identicals. I flinch at his weaknesses with self-embarassment because they are mine also. We're like soulmates. Dunno, this is probably the only person in the world I can say this with confidence about.
Errr, guess maybe I should point out that most of the pics are taken either the day before or the day of my departure (some are at the airport) and needless to say we were both dwelling on the coming pain and misery of missing each other. We're so much a part of each other it hurts to be apart. So, maybe that explains his oh-so-gloomy expression. I don't know about anyone else, but I can look sort of pissed when I'm sad.
on a completely unrelated side note: the title of this thread is bugging me to no end, as i forgot to capitalize it! lol![]()
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
LMAO
Love!
On the typing side of things obviously -- okay, there is like little to zero chance of him being either LSI OR IEI! IEI, no matter how 'tough' they might try to appear... you can always see through into their heartfelt, gooey core. When they try to look tough also, it's more endearing than scary. I, like Mimosa Pudica said, would NEVER want to be friends with this guy. Jeezus, he looks so deadpan all the time and humourless.
LSIs - NO! Okay, just because someone is "ST" or whatever dichotomy you wanna use, does NOT mean they will be tough looking. Fe seeking leads LIIs and LSIs to usually smile and try to emotionally expressive in posed pictures. I DEFINITELY have noticed this pattern in my real life LSI friends. They are extremely outwardly friendly, exuberant, smiley in pictures. Rarely, if ever deadpan like this -___-.
Sirena's descriptions seem to suggest that this is also the case with him though.
I mean I would probably avoid him irl too because he looks like he might be dangerous in some of those pictures (although I really feel like he isn't), and I naturally sort of go around people presenting that sort of look because I'm not sure if it's safe or not. But in certain parts of big cities you can find that sort of "the world is an alienating place, I too am a ax murderer, don't mess with me" look on a lot of people's faces.
If this was referring to anything I said, I personally do not believe ST means "tough looking" (ftr).Okay, just because someone is "ST" or whatever dichotomy you wanna use, does NOT mean they will be tough looking. Fe seeking leads LIIs and LSIs to usually smile and try to emotionally expressive in posed pictures. I DEFINITELY have noticed this pattern in my real life LSI friends. They are extremely outwardly friendly, exuberant, smiley in pictures.
Anyway, could I see an LSI perhaps trying to put on a "tough" pose? Why not? I could see anyone doing that really. I did wonder if it was significant though in his case because I noticed it in most of the pictures, which was why I mentioned it. I was curious about it. (And maybe he wasn't really trying to look tough and it only looks that way to me.)
That wasn't what I meant. I didn't get the impression that he goes around acting like as asshole from those pictures (in fact in the pictures where he's with others he seems to be rather loyal to them, I think...). The subconscious focus on gender stereotypes could make sense.Originally Posted by Sirena
(:Originally Posted by DeAnte
First off:Mimosa -- I relate to that picture more than I would ever relate to that D-class sopranos back-up actor.
I can't count the number of times I've received this sort of emotionally-underhanded criticism from delta NFs in my life. It's like you guys relish making personal judgments without ever being direct.
I'm not adverse to posturing; it was just blatantly obvious with him, so I pointed it out. And we look nothing alike. He's an ugly, vapid machismo, whereas I'm a youthful, attractive *beta NF hardass* who can at least make posturing look good
It's cause she has the emotional vibrancy of a rock. Just look at the bland facial expression in her picture, lol.Originally Posted by Allie
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Yeah, okay, Mr. Deep. Just how insecure do you have to be to actually point this out about yourself! lol. LOL, I have no need to be indirect in criticizing you and in fact believe I mentioned your name throughout and was pretty specific in what I said. Do I need to actually personally criticize you as you seem to relish doing with me and this guy here? (lol @ your being such a poor judge of character, which is no wonder really) Not at all. I don't even really know you. I've always said that if being Beta means being a jackass like you and that I'm "oh-my-god-such-a-typical-Delta" for seeing you as such, then so be it! Too bad it's not that simple since the world doesn't revolve around you afterall. Trust me, it'd make it a lot easier for me and I'm sure others if we could identify our types based on a "who thinks strrrng is a dick" meter.
Uhh, welcome back though!![]()
Last edited by Sirena; 06-19-2009 at 12:40 AM.
btw, where the hell is winterpark and his obnoxiously frequent claims that i am INFp when i actually type myself as one? it's funny how some people seem to have lots to say when it comes to disagreeing with someone and putting them down, but are otherwise as silent as a rock.
...Beta introvert, producing subtype... most likely se-istj, my dual... (there's no way he's delta... i wish you ppl who say this would meet a real delta... does this guy look to have much in common with G.H.W. Bush?? That is an honest-to-God ESTj.)
"If you can find out little melodies for yourself on the piano it is all very well. But if they come of themselves when you are not at the piano, then you have still greater reason to rejoice; for then the inner sense of music is astir in you. The fingers must make what the head wills, not vice versa."- Robert Schumann
Not very. Saying I'm young and attractive is pointing out an obvious fact, as is saying that he's ugly and vapid. The sopranos comment was satire, and if you couldn't grasp the irony in *beta NF hardass*, you need to reread the thread.
You did some pansy, girlish snicker -- lol, yeah I totally thought of strrrng, he's soo insecure -- in response to someone else. And this response hardly constitutes a direct retortLOL, I have no need to be indirect in criticizing you and in fact believe I mentioned your name throughout and was pretty specific in what I said.
I wasn't personally criticizing either of you, sorry you took it that way though. I was just pointing out what I saw going on; character judgments aren't exactly my realm. I could care less about your friend's constitution, but I still know he's a posturing machismo wannabe.Do I need to actually personally criticize you as you seem to relish doing with me and this guy here? (lol @ your being such a poor judge of character, which is no wonder really) Not at all.
Nice expatiation. You're creating some subjectively-defined leverage point to discredit my claims of you being delta -- and rest assured, they have nothing to do with how much of a jackass you perceive me as (oddly enough, the betas are frequently the ones who see past the surface, though).I don't even really know you. I've always said that if being Beta means being a jackass like you and that I'm "oh-my-god-such-a-typical-Delta" for seeing you as such, then so be it! Too bad it's not that simple since the world doesn't revolve around you afterall. Trust me, it'd make it a lot easier for me and I'm sure others if we could identify our types based on a "who thinks strrrng is a dick" meter.
Just leave my quadra, you farce.Uhh, welcome back though!![]()
What commonalities between him and G.W. Bush are we supposed to point out?
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The guy looks intuitive, the guy on the middle and right is the sensor in the top picture.
Nothing special about the 2nd picture, but he might be using his imagination a bit there.
Sensor blowing a kiss, seems memory, physical imitation.
He might be watching the kiss flying in his imagination.
These are just my observations, ask him what he was thinking in the last picture.
Wow hkkmr -- just delete that idiotic post.
Maybe you're mistaking Se and Ti for whatever concepts you've associated with them in this newfound understanding of yours -- cause that dude doesn't have an ounce of Se in him. Funny that you and Sirena are the only ones who think he does.
Why aren't you? This grand understanding of yours was developed when? In the past two months? Just because you've molded your image to accord with conventionally-defined standards, doesn't mean your "understanding" is any less "alternative" than other peoples'.or at least... ppl who are typing this dude delta, why aren't you posting in "alternative (non-Socionics) theories"??
You mean, lest we rain on your parade? Everyone here is trying to learn, and you seem to be the only one detracting from that process, with your tumid promotion of these unjustified and disparate ideas about socionics you so fervently claim are the "true" understanding. No one is confused here except you, Justin.it would be best if you do, lest your typings confuse ppl who are trying to learn Model A Socionics.
Yeah. Mad. Funny thing is, most people will think you're being overly-emotional.
Yeah. All that, he's so sensitive and emotional and we write together and talk about our life journeys, just seemed like a bunch of NeFi ******ry -- the kind of congested, pseudo-spiritual gibberish I wouldn't ever engage in. Like you said, betas are more focused on inherent processes, finding frequent consummation of their ideas in systematic forms (while maintaining the abstract integrity).Originally Posted by unefille
Stick to your friday night coffee-house poetry readings and campfire storytelling, Sirena; you're not beta and never will be. Now get the motherfuck out of my quadra holy shit.
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lol @ bragging about your Big Bad Caregiver.Originally Posted by Sirena
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O jeez we destroyed those poor Deltans, Nick =[
I find it funny how you started off a little more calm but by the end sentence ... lol. I do admire your tenacity and patience in response towards both of them, though. Quite amazing, really. I just could not hold it in.
Getting back to this guy's actual type... truly taking into account what Sirena said, I will offer EII as a suggestion.
YupSo fun to spurn fake betas.
Yeah. I've been giving Justin the benefit of the doubt. But, to quote Steve, his "didactic" bullshit is just over the line, and I'm sick of it.I find it funny how you started off a little more calm but by the end sentence ... lol. I do admire your tenacity and patience in response towards both of them, though. Quite amazing, really. I just could not hold it in.
Also consider: when is the last time an ENFj went about political promotion in such an evasive and disarrayed manner? They're always extremely concentrated with their visions and delivery, and maintain a firm directness (part of the beta theme -- consummation of ideals and all that shit) in regards to opposition.
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well, sounds like you could use someone to wipe your ass for you. shit stinks.
you're just jealous
hahahahahahaaa (and not even a sarcastic laugh for the first time in this thread)
btw, i found your observation QUITE interesting, even aside from this specific VI example. and he does definitely seem like it's all happening in his mind, rather than in actuality, in contrast to the "here and now-ness" in the other pic. very cool!