Polikujm Discussion

[ArchonAlarion]

Alpha NT

Not Ne ENTp

Ti ENTp, Ti INTj, Ne INTj

I favor Ti leading.

Unsure of rational/irrational

[Waddlesworth]

Alpha NT

Not Ne ENTp

Ti ENTp, Ti INTj, Ne INTj

I favor Ti leading.

Unsure of rational/irrational

I just can't see this. I have to respectfully disagree.

This bohemian/emo look is the result of choosing a style which will unite him with some kind of subculture. It is obvious that his appearance/image is the result of a desire to fit in with a specific crowd and it is clear this is important to him. His choice of style is 'tailored' in order to facilitate communication with others that he somehow relates to.

Wouldn't an LII abhor this? An ILE have no interest in this?

It could be that he is still differentiating his T/F and has not yet made a choice. But I think it is obvious which direction he is headed.

Also, I speculate that if he were T he would not be so dependent on the advice of others to determine his type. There is just no independence here.

But then again maybe I am just out of touch with the times. Call me old fashioned. Maybe this is just a matter of personality and not type.

[ArchonAlarion]

I just can't see this. I have to respectfully disagree.

This bohemian/emo look is the result of choosing a style which will unite him with some kind of subculture. It is obvious that his appearance/image is the result of a desire to fit in with a specific crowd and it is clear this is important to him. His choice of style is 'tailored' in order to facilitate communication with others that he somehow relates to.

Wouldn't an LII abhor this? An ILE have no interest in this?

Or its not. Maybe he just likes the look? Maybe he has an image of himself he wants to project? Ya know those subcultures are popular for a reason.

Secondly, thats absolutely Alpha anyhow.

The idea of subcultures as group dynamics in which members share an aesthetic cohesiveness with rebellious undertones is totally stereotypical Fe+Si (And not totally unsound).

It could be that he is still differentiating his T/F and has not yet made a choice. But I think it is obvious which direction he is headed.

Also, I speculate that if he were T he would not be so dependent on the advice of others to determine his type. There is just no independence here.

But then again maybe I am just out of touch with the times. Call me old fashioned. Maybe this is just a matter of personality and not type.

Your use of the T and F dichotomies is silly. They don't adequately described types at all.

He is not dependent on the advice of others he is just keeping an open mind and learning.

[Waddlesworth]

Or its not. Maybe he just likes the look? Maybe he has an image of himself he wants to project? Ya know those subcultures are popular for a reason.

Secondly, thats absolutely Alpha anyhow.

The idea of subcultures as group dynamics in which members share an aesthetic cohesiveness with rebellious undertones is totally stereotypical Fe+Si (And not totally unsound).



Your use of the T and F dichotomies is silly. They don't adequately described types at all.

He is not dependent on the advice of others he is just keeping an open mind and learning.

Somehow I am not buying all of that.

[ArchonAlarion]

lol well im not buying that being into a fashion subculture means you're Fi/Fe ego!

(if he even is!!!)

[Waddlesworth]

lol well im not buying that being into a fashion subculture means you're Fi/Fe ego!

(if he even is!!!)

Well I think polikujm would be the best person to talk about this with us.

So, polikujm, tell us about your friends, what kind of people are they? Into the music scene? A 'skater'?

Tell us about your aspirations and interests. What kind of music do you listen to? Do you draw, compose music or paint? If so, what are your inspirations?

As a child, what kind of pictures did you draw? How did you perform as a student?

Tell us about your theories. Surely if you are alpha you have an interest in the sciences? Philosophy? Or do you have a fresh perspective on these matters?

If you have been in any romantic relationships, what were the problems? Were you often jealous? Were you very 'chill'?

I am starting to think that many of you are very young and might even be too young to be making drastic conclusions about type/identity. Of coure my own negative experiences with type theory play into this conclusion.

[717495]

Well I think polikujm would be the best person to talk about this with us.

So, polikujm, tell us about your friends, what kind of people are they? Into the music scene? A 'skater'?

No. I don't have any friends.

Tell us about your aspirations and interests. What kind of music do you listen to? Do you draw, compose music or paint? If so, what are your inspirations?

I'm an orchestral composer.

As a child, what kind of pictures did you draw? How did you perform as a student?

This is something I don't remember/care about.

Tell us about your theories. Surely if you are alpha you have an interest in the sciences? Philosophy? Or do you have a fresh perspective on these matters?

I have theories. Just ask BlackCat or somebody who knows me online.

If you have been in any romantic relationships, what were the problems? Were you often jealous? Were you very 'chill'?

Nope never any serious relationships.

[Cone]

Archon, you type EVERYBODY as Ti-something.

[ArchonAlarion]

well it'd make sense somewhat for a large amount of Ti ego typings.

What is socionics, but an explicit and categorical model of latent psychological elements that when combined in certain ways create their own self-standing sub-systems and thus explains human relationships clearly and externally?

Sounds like Ti + Ne to me and thats who is gonna be attracted to the typology.

Alpha fuckin NT.

[Erk]

Don't forget to give your reasoning for why you do those things that waddlesworth has requested too. Who cares if you want to do this or that, so do a million others all with different types and backgrounds.

[Jarno]

I think polikujm is very likely an LII.

And he's sure no Ni leading type.

[717495]

This bohemian/emo look is the result of choosing a style which will unite him with some kind of subculture.

WTF are you talking about? Seriously?

[Waddlesworth]

WTF are you talking about? Seriously?

I'll elaborate on that only under the condition that you explain to us why you have your hair the way you do. What are the influences?

[717495]

I'll elaborate on that only under the condition that you explain to us why you have your hair the way you do. What are the influences?

I like long hair. Does this mean I'm Fi because I like/dislike something?

Also, I speculate that if he were T he would not be so dependent on the advice of others to determine his type. There is just no independence here.

Anti-MBTI has spawned a new theory. Good luck with that. Really.

He could just be a young, confused and misdirected kid in search of identity though. And to assume that he is 'alpha NT' without any ground other than some transferences or projections of other confused, misdirected kids in search of identity, might be very foolish and a fatal mistake.

Yes see, I am young confused and misdirected, but that all started when you got here.

[717495]

So are you going to tell me about your cultured background in socionics and how you apply this vice to me being of a certain thought process? Right now you're not making much of a point even though you're trying. I know you want to help, but someone of less knowledge to the situation isn't bound to help anyone.

He is not dependent on the advice of others he is just keeping an open mind and learning.

I agree. I am independent-minded like I am trustful of discussion, but I apparently have my limits.

I think niceness and openness to you somehow means "ethical." For pandemonium's sake, I've decided to stop being nice, and next what will go is my openness, if you do not explain your reasons with more logic, with more connection to the source.

[Waddlesworth]

So are you going to tell me about your cultured background in socionics and how you apply this vice to me being of a certain thought process? Right now you're not making much of a point even though you're trying. I know you want to help, but someone of less knowledge to the situation isn't bound to help anyone.

I am of the opinion that you have a Bohemian/emo flare to you. You may not label it as such, but this is how I define it relating it to what I see in the world. It seems that you dye your hair, is this true?

Ti is a function connected with the primordial, with the logos. a Ti as leading is not going to be dying his hair and composing music 'that goes for an epic' sound. Ti is very concentrated intelligence with alot gravity and is very devaluing. This is not your leading function.

That is my conclusion, which could be wrong.

I guess you are ENXP.

As for your comments about my proficiency in typing:
I am simply trying not to be pretentious like most others on this forum. I am practicing my art of this.

So when I say I am unsure, I am just expressing what everyone else really feels inside.

I mean nothing personal. You seem like a nice, intelligent guy who I can relate to in a variety of ways.

My advice to you is you hit the hills and get as far away from socionics as you can.