ILIs-INTps what are you like in bed?

[717495]

I think the problem is that you think everyone is an S. (now mind you, I have you on ignore so I can't respond) but I very highly doubt most of the people you type as S types are S types, and I don't think you have a decent grasp on what constitutes an S type or N type. (which can be learned from being more open minded towards peoples thought processes and looking for new applications of intuition that you don't know about). I disagree with silverchris, I believe you can find a lot more variables than what you're doing now, and you're being too closed-minded. You also need to learn more about the information elements and how those actually apply, not just an ill-thought and one way clean sweep. It doesn't even matter if you adopt an incorrect system, anything you could learn would be better than what you know now. You're at the bottom of the list as of now.

[Beautiful sky]

I think the problem is that you think everyone is an S. (now mind you, I have you on ignore so I can't respond) but I very highly doubt most of the people you type as S types are S types, and I don't think you have a decent grasp on what constitutes an S type or N type. (which can be learned from being more open minded towards peoples thought processes and looking for new applications of intuition that you don't know about). I disagree with silverchris, I believe you can find a lot more variables than what you're doing now, and you're being too closed-minded. You also need to learn more about the information elements and how those actually apply, not just an ill-thought and one way clean sweep. It doesn't even matter if you adopt an incorrect system, anything you could learn would be better than what you know now. You're at the bottom of the list as of now.

I'm sorry you feel that way about me; but unless you understand a person first you will not be able to see the elements; see the person who understood my type, understood me first then understood the elements...my type doesn't matter it can be XXXYYYYZZZZ for all I care; I care about genetics, I care about finding my twins and my duals; and helping people recover from extreme emotional situations, being among people, relating with them...living a fulfilled life. I care about understanding my own depressions and dealing with my emotions. I don't care about letters they don't speak for individuals, but unless I know what letters they really are I won't be able to help them correctly.

[silverchris9]

the16types.info Socionics Forums - the16types Thread Derailment Committee I think we have found the Chosen One.

I'm assuming you mean Maritsa, but I would love to apply for the position.

[Creepy-cinq]

I did not say you were stupid; I said my duals understand what I mean when I say that I am one thing but not the other; you would have easily read the difference and known...I don't consider any human being stupid.

If your dual understands you so well, why do you have such a hard time finding a ESTj dual to connect with in love? Have you given this any thought?

[Creepy-cinq]

In research one can only ask as many INTp's why and then record the answers, the reasoning that was given to me is "I find it disgusting." Otherwise, to get a deeper insight as to why, you should ask their dual ESFp as to why they would think that would be true. Because, most likely, NT's wouldn't tell you more themselves...out of a sense of orthodoxy.

How old were the INTps in your study - 10? I can see this as problematic at a young age, but, as an adult to say they would never give a BJ or go down is - just - silly.

[717495]

She's already in a derailment category all of her own. She needs to hop on the bandwagon though.

[olduser]

I think a better question is what is maritsa like in bed? Is she giving? Does she writhe in pleasure at a man's touch or is she cool and in command?

[717495]

Well it depends. Since you're an ESTj, I'm sure it's just swell. For all the other ESTps, it's their worst nightmare.

[thePirate]

MARITSA

I HAS POPSICLES 4 U

[buckland]

An ESFj might also be able to explain what I mean.

Two are one but one is not two.
One is strength in logic other in reasoning; although reasoning has logic it can not utalize it without pain and vagueness of expression because it is a masked internal processing function. Logic (in ESTj is not masked) it is operative in automatic mode, they understands the processes of reason without further explaination by me.

I think what you're trying to talk about is "intuition" in the non-socionics sense as reasoning, and your idea of logic is actually just logical expression rather than logic in itself. At least that's what I understand from this, and if that's the case, then there's a rather high chance that your socionics knowledge deviates from the truth as it incorporates a high level of subjectivity.

And this doesn't yet explain why there's yet a person on this forum who both matches up with your picture of duality as well as consistently understanding you.

[buckland]

I'm sorry you feel that way about me; but unless you understand a person first you will not be able to see the elements; see the person who understood my type, understood me first then understood the elements...my type doesn't matter it can be XXXYYYYZZZZ for all I care; I care about genetics, I care about finding my twins and my duals; and helping people recover from extreme emotional situations, being among people, relating with them...living a fulfilled life. I care about understanding my own depressions and dealing with my emotions. I don't care about letters they don't speak for individuals, but unless I know what letters they really are I won't be able to help them correctly.

If you're wrong, then all your intentions are actually misguided. You may be causing more harm than good even.

If you truly don't care about your typing an do realize that the "XXXXYYYYZZZZZ" categorization does not actually change who you are but instead just explains it, then you really would be a bit more open to the suggestions provided. You're so intent that I doubt you're truly reading anything being written on the forum that contradicts your views.

[sarinana]

one was total pervert the other one was very restricted but i think it wouldn't be hard to change him there. i think its not type related.

[crazedrat]

I always thought ILIs were like .. mental whores.
Why does the whole forum want to bone maritsa? doesn't she scare you people?

[Beautiful sky]

If your dual understands you so well, why do you have such a hard time finding a ESTj dual to connect with in love? Have you given this any thought?

They don't want a long term relationship.

If you're wrong, then all your intentions are actually misguided. You may be causing more harm than good even.

If you truly don't care about your typing an do realize that the "XXXXYYYYZZZZZ" categorization does not actually change who you are but instead just explains it, then you really would be a bit more open to the suggestions provided. You're so intent that I doubt you're truly reading anything being written on the forum that contradicts your views.

I am not wrong about my typing or my intentions. I read all things and even the reasoning behind the contradictions and I will reevaluate my perception if something is said that is real as opposed to something that is not (just gibberish), if and when that prooves to be true, otherwise all perception of real holds ground until disproven.

For example, in this thread Cyrano made a comment about ISTp perception (although it is on individual basis) is very true about their type.

http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...lue-cross.html

I always thought ILIs were like .. mental whores.
Why does the whole forum want to bone maritsa? doesn't she scare you people?

What?

ESE and ILI are in many ways incompatible because of this difference in sexual "style". ESE are only second to LSE in terms of very well developed hedonistic, sexual experience and being with someone who's very orthodox as far as not "going down"; well, that might be an issue, don't you think? This is what is meant by conflicting relations-their views and pattern of choices are not in line with one another. Now, if we mistype people as SEE in stead of ESE and they marry an ILI, that's not going to look good in a few years.

[Creepy-cinq]

They don't want a long term relationship.

You mean, that is what they tell you Seriously, though, I understand ESTjs to be conservative and observe customs. It would lead me to believe they would be inclined to settle into a long term relationship. So, I don't agree with your perception.

I've read from your many amazon reviews you type consistently as ESTJ in MBTI tests. It seems a bit of a stretch to self-type as INFJ, and INFj in socioncis.

[UDP]

ESTj's are very ingaging in sexual contact and will try any thing their mate tells them to try...What's wrong with that?

In fact, if I had one at the moment, I wouldn't mind trying a few things.

That's somewhat how I am.

I am sorry, but I don't account for mistakes in VI's, which is what I have been trying to fix here...otherwise, yeah INTp's not fun in bed, sorry. Look at another type for yourself if you're into that kinda stuff. No INTP will ever give a BJ or go down.

That is not correct.
You going to say EIIs wouldn't do the same, either?

Creative is cool not domineering. Yes, I want to really get down and dirty...but not get hurt in the process of doing it. SLI and EII, like myself, have a very good sexual relationship; but so far, ESTj's and I havn't had anything long term to relate to the creative and changing and fun part of that experiance.

LSE/EStj's want to see instantly that there's a match in that area with me, I like exploring, one new thing at a time, that's the key to a better long term sexual relationship...not, having it all out on the table at once.

IEE might enjoy dirty sex that's why ESTj and them hook up more often then with me...because I don't do dirty, sorry!

sort of

maritsa

would u like a popsicle

wow, now I need to give dictionary definitions? This is what happens with language and inability to learn what words mean.

First of all, you're not ESTj otherwise you would have understood what I meant by my comment, Second please read. thanks.

Logic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

10 Demerits for crap socionics reasoning.

In research one can only ask as many INTp's why and then record the answers, the reasoning that was given to me is "I find it disgusting."

Otherwise, to get a deeper insight as to why, you should ask their dual ESFp as to why they would think that would be true. Because, most likely, NT's wouldn't tell you more themselves...out of a sense of orthodoxy.

"In research"?
you must have a terrible sample population

[UDP]

Rick DeLong
Somavision-maybe
Jarno-maybe

They won't speak out if they understand already. My REASONING for this is out of fear.

Ah, this makes perfect sense now: they are LSEs and Marista is EII.
Got it.

[Beautiful sky]

You mean, that is what they tell you Seriously, though, I understand ESTjs to be conservative and observe customs. It would lead me to believe they would be inclined to settle into a long term relationship. So, I don't agree with your perception.

I've read from your many amazon reviews you type consistently as ESTJ in MBTI tests. It seems a bit of a stretch to self-type as INFJ, and INFj in socioncis.

I asked 30 college students to be morphologically typed and assessed the MBTI to them; most scored within quadra but not their own type in the MBTI; so you can see it is possible that in MBTI I scored my dual's type.

Second, I am right about ILI's sexual behavior; at least one has not presented themselves with anything differently and if you find an exception that matches with VI, that would be a miracle.

[Jarno]

You can say I'm desperate, even call me perverted
But you say I'm a dog when I leave you fucked and deserted
I'll play with your heart just like it's a game
I'll be blowing your mind while you're blowing my dick
I'm just like that man they call Georgie Puddin' Pie
I fuck all the girls and I make 'em cry
I'm like a dog in heat, a freak without warning
I have an appetite for sex, 'cause me so horny.

[Creepy-Cyclops]

And love you long time....

[Creepy-cinq]

I asked 30 college students to be morphologically typed and assessed the MBTI to them; most scored within quadra but not their own type in the MBTI; so you can see it is possible that in MBTI I scored my dual's type.

Second, I am right about ILI's sexual behavior; at least one has not presented themselves with anything differently and if you find an exception that matches with VI, that would be a miracle.

I'll be honest with you here, Maritsa. I think your baseline data that you use to extrapolate and rationalize to make conclusions is erroneous. I think Diana was alluding to this last week in previous posts. Unfortunately, I don't have the time or the inclination to discuss this further. Suffice to say, I fear your misguided advice to unsuspecting newbies , based on 'solid evidence', will have greater consequences than the sum total of the speculations and tidbits of inaccurate information offered by all other members (including myself). The fact that you are chasing after a PhD in psychology makes no difference. There are tons of educated people who offer advice that is erroneous and harmful, based on bad science.

[crazedrat]

absolutely Nik. Infact the fact she's pursuing a PhD is alarming to me...

[Beautiful sky]

I'll be honest with you here, Maritsa. I think your baseline data that you use to extrapolate and rationalize to make conclusions is erroneous. I think Diana was alluding to this last week in previous posts. Unfortunately, I don't have the time or the inclination to discuss this further. Suffice to say, I fear your misguided advice to unsuspecting newbies , based on 'solid evidence', will have greater consequences than the sum total of the speculations and tidbits of inaccurate information offered by all other members (including myself). The fact that you are chasing after a PhD in psychology makes no difference. There are tons of educated people who offer advice that is erroneous and harmful, based on bad science.

You're the only one who fears this and a group of people who don't know enough about not only Socionics and people; otherwise the ESFj's on this site seem to understand my perspective quite well. PhD's in theoretical science is very interesting to most N types wouldn't you say? Steven Pinker was right about genetics and the genome project and I am right about morphology and Socionics, and you can be the first one to hear this from me so that in a few years when I've published my grand study you can kiss your self in the mirror having known me and how persistant, passionate, and driven I can be.

[Creepy-cinq]

You're the only one who fears this and a group of people who don't know enough about not only Socionics and people;

I think a fair number understand socionics and fear you, just don't really want to deal with you. I should be smart like them and simply put you on ignore.

otherwise the ESFj's on this site seem to understand my perspective quite well.

I'm not surprised. This corresponds with my belief that you are actually EFj. You know how it goes - everyone seems to want to be an INFJ, right?

[crazedrat]

I want someone from this forum to have sex with maritsa. It will basically be a victory for us all.

[Creepy-cinq]

You're the only one who fears this and a group of people who don't know enough about not only Socionics and people; otherwise the ESFj's on this site seem to understand my perspective quite well. PhD's in theoretical science is very interesting to most N types wouldn't you say? Steven Pinker was right about genetics and the genome project and I am right about morphology and Socionics, and you can be the first one to hear this from me so that in a few years when I've published my grand study you can kiss your self in the mirror having known me and how persistant, passionate, and driven I can be.

This is absolutely narcissistic bullshit. You're just adding to the evidence against your INFj typing. You are revealing your hidden agenda. LOL.

It's also dishonest to add to your post after the fact. This continues to provide more evidence. You are a narcissist. You want to win. You like to manipulate. This is clearly not INFj temperament.

[Creepy-cinq]

I want someone from this forum to have sex with maritsa. It will basically be a victory for us all.

I think this is the solution. Hail crazedrat.

[Beautiful sky]

This is absolutely narcissistic bullshit. You're just adding to the evidence against your INFj typing. You are revealing your hidden agenda. LOL.

It's also dishonest to add to your post after the fact. This continues to provide more evidence. You are a narcissist. You want to win. You like to manipulate. This is clearly not INFj temperament.

No, this temperment is something you are fighting against. You want your theory to prevail in an agenda that you want it to but I am saying that it is too difficult if not impossible that way.

[Creepy-cinq]

No, this temperment is something you are fighting against. You want your theory to prevail in an agenda that you want it to but I am saying that it is too difficult if not impossible that way.

Maritsa, it truly is exasperating and surreal. I can see this is going nowhere. The best I can do is wish you luck.

[crazedrat]

this is a good example of the 'false uniqueness effect'.

[Beautiful sky]

Maritsa, it truly is exasperating and surreal. I can see this is going nowhere. The best I can do is wish you luck.

What was your VI?

[DividedsGhost]

This thread is disappointing in that I find it makes very little coherent logical sense. But I think someone was giving out free Popsicles to Maritsa. I'll have to see about maybe getting the frozen kind as a way salvage my disappointment and turn it into a tasty treat.

Now I'm getting a feeling like a school teacher is about to come into the thread and tell everyone recess is over.

[silverchris9]

Now I'm getting a feeling like a school teacher is about to come into the thread and tell everyone recess is over.

Yeah, you always get that feeling. But the teacher never comes. There's an existential statement for you.

[Beautiful sky]

This thread is disappointing in that I find it makes very little coherent logical sense. But I think someone was giving out free Popsicles to Maritsa. I'll have to see about maybe getting the frozen kind as a way salvage my disappointment and turn it into a tasty treat.

Now I'm getting a feeling like a school teacher is about to come into the thread and tell everyone recess is over.

If you're so disappointed then maybe you should try to read something else for a change.

[munenori2]

I want someone from this forum to have sex with maritsa. It will basically be a victory for us all.

Unreal. I thought the same thing.

[munenori2]

Yeah, you always get that feeling. But the teacher never comes. There's an existential statement for you.

[DividedsGhost]

If you're so disappointed then maybe you should try to read something else for a change.

This thread is like a train expecting to reach its destination without any problems or delays. Except someone messed up the track switching and ended up pitting the train going full speed towards another train going full speed with absolutely no way to stop them both in enough time.

It's disappointing because the train won't reached its destination as expected. But its interesting because it continues to hurl itself to an irreconcilable fate of calamity and destruction, a variation of occurrence perpetually feeding the constant need to watch the "train wreck".

So you see, it's all in good fun .
Keep the good timez za rollin'.

*As an aside, DiscoJoe can watch me poop anytime.

Edit: Oh, and I enjoy going down on women so if that doesn't make me INTp then what type would you propose Maritsa? Unless you propose SEE in which case I will know you are definitely making a good recreational event of your internet forum time.

[Creepy-male]

But unless my username is in red or something, it doesn't work.

I can always get "Isha" to tell them off.

Ah, the joys of living within physical proximity to a moderator's computer.

[Jarno]

This thread is like a train expecting to reach its destination without any problems or delays. Except someone messed up the track switching and ended up pitting the train going full speed towards another train going full speed with absolutely no way to stop them both in enough time.

It's disappointing because the train won't reached its destination as expected. But its interesting because it continues to hurl itself to an irreconcilable fate of calamity and destruction, a variation of occurrence perpetually feeding the constant need to watch the "train wreck".

So you see, it's all in good fun .
Keep the good timez za rollin'.

*As an aside, DiscoJoe can watch me poop anytime.

Edit: Oh, and I enjoy going down on women so if that doesn't make me INTp then what type would you propose Maritsa? Unless you propose SEE in which case I will know you are definitely making a good recreational event of your internet forum time.

hehe, that is funny.

[discojoe]

I'm quite good in bed, though I am not ILI. So why am I posting in this topic?

LOL DUNNO