ILIs-INTps what are you like in bed?

[Beautiful sky]

I know. I also know that what you said about ILIs was not correct.

Right!...come over, I know quite a few, I'll introduce you and you can ask them yourself.

[silverchris9]

Right!...come over, I know quite a few, I'll introduce you and you can ask them yourself.

Irony Alert:

After making a long, drawn-out post about why logic doesn't matter (that's not really what the post was about) on the Anything Goes thread, I will now attempt to introduce Maritsa to some basic logic.

Your conclusion was: "No ILIs will give BJs or go down"
Your support was: "I know some ILIs who will not give BJs or go down"

Your conclusion was universal, your support was particular. This is logically invalid. The fact that a few members of a group do not perform a given action does not demonstrate that no members of that group will perform that action.

(Actually, if your argument were a syllogism, it would be three universal affirmatives in the form A is B, A is C, therefore B is C, which is not a valid form.)

[Beautiful sky]

Irony Alert:

After making a long, drawn-out post about why logic doesn't matter (that's not really what the post was about) on the Anything Goes thread, I will now attempt to introduce Maritsa to some basic logic.

Your conclusion was: "No ILIs will give BJs or go down"
Your support was: "I know some ILIs who will not give BJs or go down"

Your conclusion was universal, your support was particular. This is logically invalid. The fact that a few members of a group do not perform a given action does not demonstrate that no members of that group will perform that action.

(Actually, if your argument were a syllogism, it would be three universal affirmatives in the form A is B, A is C, therefore B is C, which is not a valid form.)

Honey, LOGIC is your strength (being an ESTj personality type), REASON is mine (because I am EII) . IEI have zero access to LOGIC. That is why, you are my dual.

You can't pretend and act like an IEI, if you havn't got a clue as to who they are on the inside.

[thePirate]

IEI have zero access to LOGIC. That is why, you are my dual.
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maritsa

would u like a popsicle

[nanashi]

nanashi, thanks for posting. the info is appreciated. Sorry you were married to a loser. I hope things are going better now!

much better, thank you

[thePirate]

What he said isn't too far off. I admit, as an ILI, that rough play i.e. being pushed into walls, beds, if not slammed without causing physical injury coupled with rough lovin' is a huge turn on. I agree that gentle sounds boring as hell. It has its place, but aggressive affection is way more fun. And from the other person's end, not mine.

[silverchris9]

Honey, LOGIC is your strength (being an ESTj personality type), REASON is mine (because I am EII) . IEI have zero access to LOGIC. That is why, you are my dual.

You can't pretend and act like an IEI, if you havn't got a clue as to who they are on the inside.

lol. You already typed me SEE in a VI thread. Impressive. I won't go into all the other things wrong with that post.

[koldj]

Honey, LOGIC is your strength (being an ESTj personality type), REASON is mine (because I am EII) . IEI have zero access to LOGIC.

Logic in socionics is something waaaay different than logic in it's usual term.

And that is:

Logic, from the Greek λογικός (logikos)[1] is the study of reasoning.[2] Logic is used in most intellectual activity, but is studied primarily in the disciplines of philosophy, mathematics, and computer science. Logic examines general forms which arguments may take, which forms are valid, and which are fallacies. It is one kind of critical thinking. In philosophy, the study of logic falls in the area of epistemology, which asks: "How do we know what we know?" In mathematics, it is the study of valid inferences within some formal language.[3]

Besides all ethical types in socionics have equally "strong" logic ( and together). Even including you and me and IEIs.

[crazedrat]

lol. You already typed me SEE in a VI thread. Impressive. I won't go into all the other things wrong with that post.

I think you've charmed her.

It's really pretty simple. If you give LOGIC to maritsa, you are some kind of ST type. If you make some sense or prove her wrong, you are ESTj. If you make her look like a fool / obligate her to explain herself, you are ESFp. Otherwise you're probably an ISTp. If you were born with scoliosis you are probably typeless.

[717495]

This forum is going to hell.

[Beautiful sky]

maritsa

would u like a popsicle

Ever consider that there might be children on this site?...I think you should remove your avatar.

[Beautiful sky]

Logic in socionics is something waaaay different than logic in it's usual term.

And that is:


Besides all ethical types in socionics have equally "strong" logic ( and together). Even including you and me and IEIs.

Logic is logic; not all ethical types have access to logic; I was refering to INFj and INFp types...SF's have a lot better handle on logic then we do.

[thePirate]

Ever consider that there might be children on this site?...I think you should remove your avatar.

the only child on this site is you

[DirectorAbbie]

Ever consider that there might be children on this site?...I think you should remove your avatar.

I agree. Watching someone constantly choking is rude to my gag reflex.

[buckland]

Logic is logic; not all ethical types have access to logic; I was refering to INFj and INFp types...SF's have a lot better handle on logic then we do.

Where do you get these assertions from? Why would SFs have a better handle than NFs? By your own admission here, at least 75% of types should therefore have "stronger" logic than yourself and considering the refusal of just about all the information you have received in this forum, you obviously don't believe that.

[DirectorAbbie]

Where do you get these assertions from? Why would SFs have a better handle than NFs? By your own admission here, at least 75% of types should therefore have "stronger" logic than yourself and considering the refusal of just about all the information you have received in this forum, you obviously don't believe that.

So she's admitting she's illogical. I can live with that.

[Beautiful sky]

So she's admitting she's illogical. I can live with that.

wow, now I need to give dictionary definitions? This is what happens with language and inability to learn what words mean.

First of all, you're not ESTj otherwise you would have understood what I meant by my comment, Second please read. thanks.

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic[/ame]
[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason[/ame]

[Creepy-cinq]

No INTP will ever give a BJ or go down.

Why? What in your research makes you conclude this?

[Beautiful sky]

Why? What in your research makes you conclude this?

In research one can only ask as many INTp's why and then record the answers, the reasoning that was given to me is "I find it disgusting."

Otherwise, to get a deeper insight as to why, you should ask their dual ESFp as to why they would think that would be true. Because, most likely, NT's wouldn't tell you more themselves...out of a sense of orthodoxy.

[buckland]

wow, now I need to give dictionary definitions? This is what happens with language and inability to learn what words mean.

First of all, you're not ESTj otherwise you would have understood what I meant by my comment, Second please read. thanks.

Logic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Reason - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One in most cases implies the other.

[Beautiful sky]

One in most cases implies the other.

Logic sets the perameters by which Reason can function; duals, my dual sets the perameters and I have fun with it.

[DirectorAbbie]

First of all, you're not ESTj otherwise you would have understood what I meant by my comment.

You meant what you meant and you said what you said. I respond to the latter. Doing so forces people to choose words carefully and sometimes ostracizes me. It does not make me stupid.

[Jarno]

First of all, you're not ESTj otherwise you would have understood what I meant by my comment, Second please read. thanks.

maritsa has it ever occured to you that when you question everyones type here, it implies that 0% of the people here knows there type right.

That is at least something that must raise a question whether that is actually possible.

Also retyping her based on that she doesn't understand you... I think you are not the stereotypical INFJ, so that your dual doesn't understand this different kind of INFJ should not be surprising.

I wonder what is different with you, I've never met such a person like you. You are interesting to analyze.

[Beautiful sky]

You meant what you meant and you said what you said. I respond to the latter. Doing so forces people to choose words carefully and sometimes ostracizes me. It does not make me stupid.

I did not say you were stupid; I said my duals understand what I mean when I say that I am one thing but not the other; you would have easily read the difference and known...I don't consider any human being stupid.

[crazedrat]

she reminds me of a female version of coach "the dragon slayer" from survivor

[Beautiful sky]

maritsa has it ever occured to you that when you question everyones type here, it implies that 0% of the people here knows there type right.

That is at least something that must raise a question whether that is actually possible.

Also retyping her based on that she doesn't understand you... I think you are not the stereotypical INFJ, so that your dual doesn't understand this different kind of INFJ should not be surprising.

I wonder what is different with you, I've never met such a person like you. You are interesting to analyze.

I can do all methods of reasoning including: Including theoretical and practical

"Reasoning is the process of taking normative reasons into account—considering them, weighing them, or fitting them together in order to determine which beliefs or actions or attitudes they most favor." "Assessing how well someone engages in reasoning is the project of determining the extent to which the person is rational or acts rationally."

"Within the field of formal logic, a variety of different forms of deductive reasoning have been developed. These involve abstract reasoning using symbols, logical operators and a set of rules that specify what processes may be followed to arrive at a conclusion."

[ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasoning[/ame]

That is what my dual pair does for me.

THIS IS WHAT I MEAN:

"Reason and logic can be thought of as distinct, although logic is one important aspect of reason. Reason is a type of thought. The word Logic involves the attempt to describe rules by which reason operates, so that orderly reasoning can be taught."

[buckland]

Logic sets the perameters by which Reason can function; duals, my dual sets the perameters and I have fun with it.

What does that actually mean? The 2 are in this case inextricable, how can 1 person provide logic and the other reason? You have started with a concept and gotten lost trying to romanticize this ideal world you have with your dual.

[buckland]

I can do all methods of reasoning including:

"Reasoning is the process of taking normative reasons into account—considering them, weighing them, or fitting them together in order to determine which beliefs or actions or attitudes they most favor."

"Within the field of formal logic, a variety of different forms of deductive reasoning have been developed. These involve abstract reasoning using symbols, logical operators and a set of rules that specify what processes may be followed to arrive at a conclusion"

Reasoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That is what my dual pair does for me.

What you're describing here is logic in an academic setting, rather than logic as an entity in itself. What exactly are you trying to say?

[Beautiful sky]

What does that actually mean? The 2 are in this case inextricable, how can 1 person provide logic and the other reason? You have started with a concept and gotten lost trying to romanticize this ideal world you have with your dual.

No I havn't, you just were never able to see past questionairs and look into the actual process of the human mind and course of thought...

"Reason and logic can be thought of as distinct, although logic is one important aspect of reason. Reason is a type of thought. The word Logic involves the attempt to describe rules by which reason operates, so that orderly reasoning can be taught."

In order for me to distract logic and use it independently of reason; I have to take a lot of pain staking time to disect and concentrate upon it and it wastes a lot of useful energy; since my dual is master logic, he does it on auto mode and I don't have to bother with it.

[buckland]

I did not say you were stupid; I said my duals understand what I mean when I say that I am one thing but not the other; you would have easily read the difference and known...I don't consider any human being stupid.

There's bound to be at least 1 dual on this forum, though I have yet to see one person who consistently understands what you mean in the sense you describe here.

[Beautiful sky]

There's bound to be at least 1 dual on this forum, though I have yet to see one person who consistently understands what you mean in the sense you describe here.

Rick DeLong
Somavision-maybe
Jarno-maybe

They won't speak out if they understand already. My REASONING for this is out of fear.

[buckland]

No I havn't, you just were never able to see past questionairs and look into the actual process of the human mind and course of thought...

What is this in respect to?

"Reason and logic can be thought of as distinct, although logic is one important aspect of reason. Reason is a type of thought. The word Logic involves the attempt to describe rules by which reason operates, so that orderly reasoning can be taught."

In order for me to distract logic and use it independently of reason; I have to take a lot of pain staking time to disect and concentrate upon it and it wastes a lot of useful energy; since my dual is master logic, he does it on auto mode and I don't have to bother with it.

Do you not see that for you to reason (whatever you mean by this, because I doubt your use of this word is in the conventional sense) you have to base it on a logical structure. Otherwise, what you're doing is spouting baseless conjecture. No one can provide you with the logic required for your reasoning. How can you extract the logic from reasoning?

[buckland]

Rick DeLong
Somavision-maybe
Jarno-maybe

They won't speak out if they understand already. My REASONING for this is out of fear.

None of those 3 think they're your dual. And what would they be afraid of, ostracism? From what I recall, somavision has been against your methods for quite a while. If these are the best candidates for your idea of duality, surely that means your perception that they will understand your "lack of logic but reasoning strength" is wrong.

[Beautiful sky]

None of those 3 think they're your dual. And what would they be afraid of, ostracism? From what I recall, somavision has been against your methods for quite a while. If these are the best candidates for your idea of duality, surely that means your perception that they will understand your "lack of logic but reasoning strength" is wrong.

An ESFj might also be able to explain what I mean.

Two are one but one is not two.
One is strength in logic other in reasoning; although reasoning has logic it can not utalize it without pain and vagueness of expression. Logic understands the processes of reason without further explaination by me.

[Beautiful sky]

None of those 3 think they're your dual. And what would they be afraid of, ostracism? From what I recall, somavision has been against your methods for quite a while. If these are the best candidates for your idea of duality, surely that means your perception that they will understand your "lack of logic but reasoning strength" is wrong.

An ESFj might also be able to explain what I mean.

Two are one but one is not two.
One is strength in logic other in reasoning; although reasoning has logic it can not utalize it without pain and vagueness of expression because it is a masked internal processing function. Logic (in ESTj is not masked) it is operative in automatic mode, they understands the processes of reason without further explaination by me.

[Jarno]

None of those 3 think they're your dual.

wait wait, I am willing to change to LSE for a day if it means I can do her.

[Beautiful sky]

What is this in respect to?



Do you not see that for you to reason (whatever you mean by this, because I doubt your use of this word is in the conventional sense) you have to base it on a logical structure. Otherwise, what you're doing is spouting baseless conjecture. No one can provide you with the logic required for your reasoning. How can you extract the logic from reasoning?

First one is in reference to typing by use of questionairs where the questions don't uncover type but mearly help people choose one they like rather then who they really are.

[silverchris9]

It's really pretty simple. If you give LOGIC to maritsa, you are some kind of ST type. If you make some sense or prove her wrong, you are ESTj. If you make her look like a fool / obligate her to explain herself, you are ESFp. Otherwise you're probably an ISTp. If you were born with scoliosis you are probably typeless.

I like you, crazed.

[silverchris9]

I did not say you were stupid... I don't consider any human being stupid.

This has nothing to do with this thread, but I find that this is a fairly typical EII statement. That is, EIIs, because of their Fi, don't want to consider anyone inferior or view them negatively (compassion you know), and then their Ne, in the service of Fi, sort of finds ways in which the person really isn't stupid: they have emotional intelligence, or they have the kind of "smarts" that are good for the arts, etc. Calling someone stupid is unnecessary, hurtful, and forecloses on the possibilities a person has, leading them (Ni demonstrative?) to not believe in themselves, and thereby creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure.

Contrast this with IEIs, who, valuing Ni, Ti, and Se, would prefer to "call a spade a spade" and say, "wow, you're dumb" (not that you are in any way dumb Director Abbie; you're actually rather smart from what I can tell). Ti prefers categories, Se is inclined to bluntness (especially when paired with Fi polr), and Ni tends to extrapolate the future from the past, expecting trends to stay constant (absent other variables of course)--you've behaved stupidly in the past, and will probably continue to behave stupidly in the future, therefore, stupid is an appropriate label. Actually, it might take an SLE to actually say it (irl, not so much on a forum), since SLEs are more confident in their opinions, beliefs, and ability to stand up to anyone they insult in a fight (or at least only lob insults at people that they could beat in a fight), but the IEI would be thinking it, and be extremely pleased by the SLE actually saying it out loud.

Actually, that expecting trends to stay constant thing may be a crucial difference between Ne and Ni: Ni, absent other variables, expects trends to stay constant. Ne, absent other variables, expects trends to change...? Could be interesting.

What's the subject of this thread again? Oh, ILIs. I guess some ILIs are hot. The hot ones are probably good in bed; the ugly ones probably aren't. (I'm totally kidding ya'll, I know some people that look right don't necessarily prove to be all that when all is said and done).

Also... I vaguely agree with some of the stuff that's been said in this thread about dominance, or at least... forwardness romantically speaking. Of course, it's all theory for me (sadly).

[Beautiful sky]

This has nothing to do with this thread, but I find that this is a fairly typical EII statement. That is, EIIs, because of their Fi, don't want to consider anyone inferior or view them negatively (compassion you know), and then their Ne, in the service of Fi, sort of finds ways in which the person really isn't stupid: they have emotional intelligence, or they have the kind of "smarts" that are good for the arts, etc. Calling someone stupid is unnecessary, hurtful, and forecloses on the possibilities a person has, leading them (Ni demonstrative?) to not believe in themselves, and thereby creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure.

Contrast this with IEIs, who, valuing Ni, Ti, and Se, would prefer to "call a spade a spade" and say, "wow, you're dumb" (not that you are in any way dumb Director Abbie; you're actually rather smart from what I can tell). Ti prefers categories, Se is inclined to bluntness (especially when paired with Fi polr), and Ni tends to extrapolate the future from the past, expecting trends to stay constant (absent other variables of course)--you've behaved stupidly in the past, and will probably continue to behave stupidly in the future, therefore, stupid is an appropriate label. Actually, it might take an SLE to actually say it (irl, not so much on a forum), since SLEs are more confident in their opinions, beliefs, and ability to stand up to anyone they insult in a fight (or at least only lob insults at people that they could beat in a fight), but the IEI would be thinking it, and be extremely pleased by the SLE actually saying it out loud.

Actually, that expecting trends to stay constant thing may be a crucial difference between Ne and Ni: Ni, absent other variables, expects trends to stay constant. Ne, absent other variables, expects trends to change...? Could be interesting.

What's the subject of this thread again? Oh, ILIs. I guess some ILIs are hot. The hot ones are probably good in bed; the ugly ones probably aren't. (I'm totally kidding ya'll, I know some people that look right don't necessarily prove to be all that when all is said and done).

Also... I vaguely agree with some of the stuff that's been said in this thread about dominance, or at least... forwardness romantically speaking. Of course, it's all theory for me (sadly).

Exactly, thank you for understanding me; We truly love all people and see the gift of all individuals even the ones who don't see their own gifts; we know the value of all...and we really revel in it with excitement and that's why we are willing to step up and protect people.