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    Quote Originally Posted by ephemeros View Post
    And btw, I never met flirtatious ILEs and LIIs, males and females. Did you?

    Another example of Vero typing obvious incoherence: http://www.the16types.info/vbulletin...tml#post421983 (sorry if I do this too often, but I've made a promise).
    You may figure out really easy the basic differences between Infantile/Caregivers and Aggressors/Victims:
    - Ne/Si are discouraged by flirting, slowness, hidden meanings, etc.
    - Ni/Se are a bit disgusted (at least rendered uninterested) by openness, "falling" easy, familiarity (farts, lol).

    I remember an issue with an IEE friend being admonished by a friend of her bf that she should not talk about her menstruation in public. It was not a very detailed talk, just a point about painkillers, because she had excruciating pain at the menstruation. But this was considered unacceptable by that guy and her that time bf (SLE).
    Ephemeros, like I said before and I'll say again, your biggest issue here is you actually do not know who I am or anything about me. Attempts to convince me or others (other than maybe Gulanzon) that I'm anything but an Ne/Si ego are completely ludicrous and demonstrate yet again that you have no comprehension of me on any level. Talking to you about my type is pointless because you're not talking about me, you're talking about some figurehead you've constructed and given my name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ephemeros View Post
    Lol, I don't know where you get this idea from. I (and others) know no more about you other that what you've written on the forum, but I'm talking about this information. You're talking as if you've never written that, this is stupid or at least childish, sorry!
    I'm not trying to find a license to kill, but I think no one should take your type seriously, because it affects Socionics discussions cause we make comparisons with forum users when talking about a certain type. All the new theoretical information in reference to you about ILEs is (and always was) offending bullshit, it never made sense, except what ILE has in common with whatever type you are (imo ILI). It's the same thing as talking Enneagram in a Model A thread.
    No, ephemeros, you simply apply a meaning to a lot of my words that does not exist. You constructed an entire persona for me that is so shockingly inaccurate that it actually amazes me that someone is capable of twisting my words without motive.

    And since we're going there, I'll address the example you gave above with the IEE and tell you that I make that kind of conversation ALL the time. Rather infamously, in fact. I once had my SEE/ESI (can't decide which) former roomie from last year confront me about it and basically shred me to pieces over the fact that I make "inappropriate" conversation and that I jump into new groups as though I'm already very familiar with them. I believe I even made a thread about it here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ephemeros View Post
    @mn0good: I don't see any connection between that thread and the IEE example, maybe you can point out a specific post and idea there. Just having misunderstanding with friends does not mean anything, but the reason for this.
    You also made another post about your "subtle" nature towards flirting recently, more insightful, but I could not find it again. Nothing to do with Infantile types.
    Your IEE example is something I do, and do rather frequently. The thread I linked you to was not about me having a misunderstanding with friends, but about a room mate confronting me about what he deemed was "inappropriate" behaviour. This included being overly-familiar with new acquaintances, talking about topics that were risque or inappropriate outside of close friends and being too open.

    Additionally, I don't think the descriptive dichotomy you discussed earlier actually exists. If it does, then I must be all of Ne/Si/Se/Ni because I am flirty, enjoy hidden meanings, very open and familiar (not to be confused with intimate), and flip through interests frequently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by incognito View Post
    You are aware that you are contradicting yourself.

    It does matter whether you are SLE or not. Your potential mistyping would be just as harmful as Vero’s potential mistyping, based on your very own logic. Purporting to be an ILE, when you are in fact an SLE, would indicate that your understanding of socionics is questionable, that all that you’ve concluded - in your understanding of yourself in relationship to others, is inaccurate. It makes any claims you make against others perceived mistypings baseless. That the insistent stalking/harassment of others on the board to ‘right’ true correlations would be as equally harmful to the community, as the member who has incorrectly typed themselves.

    Is this your first time participating in a typing community? Understandings of definitions and applications of theories, functions and relationships are debated constantly on this board and on all other boards of a similar nature. Long standing and respected members of the typing community, considered to be models for their type, after many years finally admit they’ve mistyped themselves, while other obviously mistyped members refuse to accept they are wrong end up dominating the community atmosphere, attracting new and misinformed members and clearing out other members who are actually typed correctly but are wise enough to bow out from the stupidity. I’ve participated in/observed about 10 different typing boards over the last 10+ years. This happens ALL OF THE TIME. It is an inherent risk when you join and participate. Information exchanged is mostly based on opinion, not necessarily fact. Discussions are fun and stimulating, sometimes painful. By no means, though, are these typing community boards are best and only source for obtaining true correlations.

    I think you’re taking your position and the importance of true correlations within the context of board discussions/opinions far too seriously; in fact, it borders on obsession. There is a remote, off-side chance that Vero is mistyped. And what of it? What actually would happen if she suddenly announces she is another type? It’s no different than any other situation where a long standing member does an about face. We analyze the outcome, make the mental adjustment and move on to other discussions. It's not going to cause the earth's crust to crack, sucking us all into some black hole of oblivion.

    Get over it, ephemeros. Move on to something else.
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    Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow did I know this was going to happen?

    Quote Originally Posted by ephemeros View Post
    I completely disagree with that, but you'll say again it's only my interpretation of what you've said...
    You're right.

    First of all you assign them a purpose they don't have, actually SEIs described these to me as compulsive spontaneous exaltation. They are isolate bubbles.
    That cumulative global meaning is your Ni wishful thinking (not in a derogatory sense), understand it for <whatever you want>'s sake! I really don't know what to say anymore to make you see the light .
    Interestingly enough, two other people who posted in this thread (one an SEI herself) expressed similar sentiments to my own (see below). Additionally, unless you think that I'm trying to dualize with myself, then your argument here for Ni makes no sense. I was describing my observations of SEIs in my life, not my own behaviour. My way of expressing affection has nothing to do with cumulative global meaning and really doesn't reflect that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rubicon View Post
    I think that asking an SEI to share his feelings is pretty offputting for starters. They either show or they don't. If they don't, he probably doesn't want them to show...Expressing myself without having to lay things out in black and white is what I'm about!.
    Quote Originally Posted by redbaron View Post
    OH wow, great advice in this thread! My good SEI friend is very much the way other SEIs are described here. He does NOT talk about his feelings, he will show me how he feels by his subtle actions (and I know he does the same with his wife and kids). At the height of our friendship when we were getting a lot closer, he did things like give me plants from his garden, give me rides when it was raining, bring me print-outs of information I had hinted I needed, etc. Sweet, sweet man. Runs from any sort of serious discussion or spelling things out. Prefers to keep things light and focused on the here and now...He also moves very slowly when committing himself. I know the story between him and his wife. They knew each other for YEARS before he decided he wanted to get married. It was an extremely slow-moving process... They don't show much of their depth on the surface though
    Quote Originally Posted by ephemeros View Post
    update: just gave the sentence to an SEI and she said she does not want to make something special from the feelings, but they just "come" for themselves.
    That's exactly what I said, just in different words:

    Quote Originally Posted by me
    Additionally, trying to turn the nature of those feelings into something super serious or something that they need to specifically think about doing makes them feel forced. I think I can speak for most alphas when I say we want our relationships to feel organic.
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    I wasn't aware this was a "type Vero" thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Gulanzon View Post
    I wasn't aware this was a "type Vero" thread.

    Everything in Alpha Quadra that I respond to is a "type Vero" thread. Heads up.

    Ephemeros, coincidently I was a Political Science major in my first year of university. What politics has to do with any of this, beyond the fact that you don't feel it necessary to respond to my rebuttal, I have no idea.
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    You're certainly not helping the situation by responding

    Oh, Yellows. Three cheers for our attention-seeking antics!

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    ephemerous you say the same things over and over again to vero, you are like a broken record. so far as I have seen, you act like a stubborn mule intellectually. everything you say seems to be based on you're SEI and you're ILEness, anybody who acts differently must not be a true type in your world because you are too stubborn to broaden your outlook on things.

    I am an SEI, and you BORE me! I would never be able to spend more than a few minutes in your presence without having to break your nose because of how annoying you are. (since you are too pigheaded to understand this, this is a joke, I would not break your nose... but I would be very very annoyed because you seem as though you are the type of person who never has anything interesting to say, yet never shuts up and thinks that everybody is interested in what you have to say. In normal ILEs this is attractive, but in your case... it most certainly IS NOT!)

    also, please please PLEASE! take some English classes if you are going to be talking to people on an English internet forum. Your English is awful and it just makes it that much more silly when you try to argue with people using it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ephemeros View Post
    Me neither. It is a thread about SEIs and how are they perceived by different types. I don't see the point of your insinuation.

    Because you feel so easy to take responsibility to make such absurd declarations and, as in the past, you have no intention to sustain them logically.
    Let me exemplify for a better understanding: you declare with serenity that what other SEIs on the forum said confirm your post, which has completely no real base. Useless to say that your defensive posts are spiced with blatant fallacies, as usual: Bare assertion fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. I don't answer you because in my experience between us, you almost never wrote to the point and make only false affirmations, as these previous.

    Another thing is that I never said you analyzed your behavior, which your conclusion was. So, your post is completely irrelevant imo, it's just my word against yours.
    I noticed for a long time that you think you're smarter and like to "play" with me, but the only reason I "debate" with you is to make people aware of your true nature, which actually is happening day by day, without you realizing it. My problem with the users is that most are too lazy to think for themselves without someone to point them out the inconsistencies. I'm glad both of us can take satisfaction from this game but I regret to tell you that I bite only the baits I want (we both know what I'm talking about, right?).

    I'm not interested to stay off-topic about your type, I just pointed out your different perception about SEIs, which I know is sincere, but not one belonging to an ILE. Try a relationship with an SEI and you'll see for yourself how discontent you'll be and how much you bore them.
    You mean the part where you selectively interpret every word I say to negotiate your own misguided impression? Those baits?

    Ephemeros, your arrogance astounds me. That you assume people are seeing some new side of me day by day without any evidence is ludicrous. Everytime I provide you evidence contrary to your narrow view, you back it up solely with your individual interpretation that lacks any sort of evidence. For heaven's sake, you can't even apply rhetorical fallacies correctly. My argument was an appeal to authority, not a bare assertion fallacy. Whether I am smarter than you is compeltely irrelevant to this discussion, rather it bothers me that you go around saying things that are simply untrue and misrepresent me personally, which offends me because I believe in truth.

    As for my relationships with SEIs, yet again you're proving that you haven't ACTUALLY bothered to learn anything about me on this forum before developing your ridiculous typing. I have an SEI ex-boyfriend and my room mate from first year university was an SEI, things that I've talked about on the forum several times. For the record, my relationship with the SEI ex did not fail out of discontent and boredom on either of our parts. We're still very good friends and really enjoy the time we spend together. He still tries to restart the relationship, but I ended it because I don't have have any sexual chemistry with him.
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    My answer to this thread: who cares? I used to get upset if someone questioned my type. Now, it doesn't matter to me. I have a strong enough grasp of the information elements that I can see most of the functions in others and I know how I relate to these people. So, if someone tells me that I'm anything other than LII, I can say with strong certainty that they're wrong. Therefore, if mn0good has a good understanding of her the functions and her intertype relations, then she shouldn't listen to what some idiot has to say. On the other hand, if she's deceiving herself or doesn't understand socionics, then ephermos isn't such an idiot after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ephemeros View Post
    I completely disagree with that, but you'll say again it's only my interpretation of what you've said...
    First of all you assign them a purpose they don't have, actually SEIs described these to me as compulsive spontaneous exaltation. They are isolate bubbles.
    That cumulative global meaning is your Ni wishful thinking (not in a derogatory sense), understand it for <whatever you want>'s sake! I really don't know what to say anymore to make you see the light .

    update: just gave the sentence to an SEI and she said she does not want to make something special from the feelings, but they just "come" for themselves.
    ORLY. Mno is ILE-Ti. You probably aren't. Can you stop whining now please?

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